UCLA student tasered

[Tchocky]

Article here - http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

Video here -

Seems excessive to me, nice to see the politics of fear still work....

[Yahoshua]

I cant say much other than the guy was being a dick for a few minutes, and exactly what ocurred before the vid I dunno (other than the article). But it's obvious they tasered him without reasonable cause several times. The comment from the LEO at about 6:39 in the vid just makes me feel all warm inside, dunno why exactly he said that when the student confronting him (not the one being arrested) for information wasn't acting particularly violent.

[HunterICX]

I saw that one yesterday,

I must say, well the moron should brought his Pas/Card with him. the security is there not for nothing. the Taser seems not to work. so 3 strong guys can pick him up and take him outside. that would saved some time.

Edit: also , my question is...the Security guard tells him that he can not enter without his Card. so why didnt he leave when told him so...really...he was just asking for problems.

HunterICX

[Konovalov]

Come on, it's not like they used lethal force. Seriously this sort of thing would be unheard of back in Australia. Then again school or university shootings aren't too common down under.

[joea]

Look on the bright side: he could have been shot 12 times, or beaten to a pulp with batons. Hey these cops showed proof of humanitarianism.

[Polak]

Stupid liberal student, serves him right if you ask me. The rest of the students should also get stuned. The policemen where doing their job and gave him a direct and simple order, which he refused to comply with. I believe that the police should be able to use more force than they are allowed to today, at least in Poland and Sweden, I can not speak for the USA.

[HunterICX]

@polak,

I can tell you about spain, I had a Junky who was anoying. I told him to leave.
it was just my luck that an police officer came around the corner and saw him and he yelled ''Dammit, Are you here know!!!'' the police officer pulled the junky out of my shop after telling him to leave and the junky replied ''No!, Ehh..I like the music that he is playing on his radio''. the police had enough of him and beaten the **** out of him on the street...I wish I had a camara back then, that was just stunning to see, especially the part when I see the junky running down the street followed by the police officer that was a lot faster. I never seen that before when I lived in Holland. the police officer came back to me and said ''well you wont get bothered by him again'' I replied ''thats just what I thought'' funny guy

when the junky got his ass kicked I really had a grin on my face , well I'll bet I wont see him again

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

@polak,

I can tell you about spain, I had a Junky who was anoying. I told him to leave.
it was just my luck that an police officer came around the corner and saw him and he yelled ''Dammit, Are you here know!!!'' the police officer pulled the junky out of my shop after telling him to leave and the junky replied ''No!, Ehh..I like the music that he is playing on his radio''. the police had enough of him and beaten the **** out of him on the street...I wish I had a camara back then, that was just stunning to see, especially the part when I see the junky running down the street followed by the police officer that was a lot faster. I never seen that before when I lived in Holland. the police officer came back to me and said ''well you wont get bothered by him again'' I replied ''thats just what I thought'' funny guy

when the junky got his ass kicked I really had a grin on my face , well I'll bet I wont see him again

For a minute there I thought you were describing the SA brown shirt thugs from mid 1930's Nazi Germany.

[Polak]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

@polak,

I can tell you about spain, I had a Junky who was anoying. I told him to leave.
it was just my luck that an police officer came around the corner and saw him and he yelled ''Dammit, Are you here know!!!'' the police officer pulled the junky out of my shop after telling him to leave and the junky replied ''No!, Ehh..I like the music that he is playing on his radio''. the police had enough of him and beaten the **** out of him on the street...I wish I had a camara back then, that was just stunning to see, especially the part when I see the junky running down the street followed by the police officer that was a lot faster. I never seen that before when I lived in Holland. the police officer came back to me and said ''well you wont get bothered by him again'' I replied ''thats just what I thought'' funny guy

when the junky got his ass kicked I really had a grin on my face , well I'll bet I wont see him again

That sounds as something the police should be allowed to do, at least with junkies. But since we all live in democracies, that will never be allowed. My boss at work told me that they had problems with junkies where he lived, they where stealing car radios and other things. When he called the police, they said that it wouldn't do much good if they arested the junkies, because they would not learn anything that way + they would be out in a couple of days. They told him to handle the problem himself, and that he should beat up the junkies with a couple of neighbours. Something like this is really stupid, the police should have handled the whole thing the way they advised him to do.

In the apartment block where I live we had a problem with junkies a couple of years ago, they where breaking in to the laundry room and stealing clothes. Here no one bothered calling the police. They changed doors on the building and beat the junkies up, solved the problem.

[Bort]

The repeated tasing of this guy seems unnecessary. Was he being a major pain, yes, but they could have just as easily forced the guy to the ground, cuffed him, and carried him out. There were certainly enough cops there to accomplish that minor feat without zapping the guy over and over again. This incident disturbs me because I am considering becoming a police officer (if some other job options don't pan out) and if that means my job is to repeatably electrify some idiot when I could just as easily (and less painfully) physically subdue him, I'm not sure that is an occupation I would like to pursue. Use of force is all about proportion and necessity and neither of those criteria were fulfilled in this incident from what I could see.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by *[FOX]* Bort

Use of force is all about proportion and necessity and neither of those criteria were fulfilled in this incident from what I could see.

Well said.

[VON_CAPO]

Clear demonstration of legal torture, at many parts of the civilizated world these abusers would be lynched by the people at once.

Edit: I hope this incident have a wide effect to get anyone involved into a court of justice.

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by VON_CAPO

Clear demonstration of legal torture, at many parts of the civilizated world these abusers would be lynched by the people at once.

Whatever VON_CAPO. This kid was told multiple times to stand up while he was hancuffed. He was warned multiple times that he would be tased if he didn't follow the order. As for your comment...

at many parts of the civilizated world these abusers would be lynched by the people at once.

In certain European countries, he would've been beaten to a pulp and then taken to the station. I remember hearing stories of our service men and women serving in Germany with stories about how not to mess with their police and follow orders or you'd be black and blue with bruises.

This kid was obviously giving a show for the mob that formed..yelling about the Patriot Act...come on . The Patriot Act had nothing to do with him being a citizen who failed to observe authority.

EDIT: Validating an attack by mob action isn't going to solve anything either. I'm sure that there will be a typical lawsuit filled by liberal organizations and his family...I hope his parents have the "authority" to tell him he should've listened to the sworn officers.

[VON_CAPO]

Originally Posted by sonar732

being a citizen who failed to observe authority.

I understand that american people are well trained to obey "authority" (no offense intended); but any authority vanish as smoke when the deputies cross the line between the right and the wrong.

Also, I think you see this under the optic of the military, and this is a academical ambit, where freedom and respect rules.

This kind of abuse is non sense into a university.

[VON_CAPO]

Originally Posted by sonar732

Validating an attack by mob action isn't going to solve anything either. I'm sure that there will be a typical lawsuit filled by liberal organizations and his family...I hope his parents have the "authority" to tell him he should've listened to the sworn officers.

If everything runs good, those sworn officers will be users of "Food Stamp" coupons, for a long long time.