Mel Gibson: Partly a victim as a result of his own anti-semitic remarks?

Konovalov · 10-16-06, 03:41 PM

At the time of his remarks the topic was discussed here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ghlight=Gibson

True to form in this world in which the victim mentality reigns supreme, it is now Mr Gibsons turn to cry fowl. It seems in this day and age it is just far too difficult to fully accept responsibility for ones own words and actions. In a recent interview with the American network ABC, Gibson takes part responsibility for his behaviour but at the same time strangely blames his anti-semitic outburst partly on the wave of criticism that he was subjected to in 2004 at the time of the release of his new film "The Passion of the Christ." This part deflection of blame is in addition to the 'I was drunk' defence.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman...27269081.shtml

From the article:

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Mel Gibson & Mark Foley: The Cult of Victimization Continues
By Christopher J. Stephens
Oct 15, 2006

In a much publicized recent interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer, actor/director Mel Gibson became the latest to cry victim as the blanket excuse for his actions. It also seems bad pre-publicity for his 2004 film "The Passion of the Christ." triggered his anti-semitic tirade. "Now even before anyone saw a frame of film, for an entire year, I was subjected to a pretty brutal sort of public beating," he said. "And during the course of that, I think I probably had my rights violated in many different ways as an American, as an artist, as a Christian, just as a human being."

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has issued a press release accepting that Mel Gibson has taken the "first 'baby steps' on the road to recovery" yet also notes that "there is an element of denial in his comments when he attributes anti-Semitic outbursts to the alcohol."

ADL press release here: http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4909_12.htm

It doesn't matter if it is's Hollywood stars or disgraced politicians such as Mark Folley, it seems that whatever your ill, all you need to do is spend a week or two in rehab which I'm sure is code for 'luxury 5 star resort', or say the alchohol or pressures of life made me do it.

The full ABC News article is here: http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Entert...2557656&page=1

Coda · 10-16-06, 03:46 PM

He said stupid things.

There is a record of stupid things.

He is a celebrity, he knows stupid things he says will be recorded and repeated.

Anything that happens to him is his own fault.

He has to take responsibility for his actions.

He has no room to cry foul. He commited the foul.

The Dummy.

kiwi_2005 · 10-16-06, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

At the time of his remarks the topic was discussed here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ghlight=Gibson

True to form in this world in which the victim mentality reigns supreme, it is now Mr Gibsons turn to cry fowl. It seems in this day and age it is just far too difficult to fully accept responsibility for ones own words and actions. In a recent interview with the American network ABC, Gibson takes part responsibility for his behaviour but at the same time strangely blames his anti-semitic outburst partly on the wave of criticism that he was subjected to in 2004 at the time of the release of his new film "The Passion of the Christ." This part deflection of blame is in addition to the 'I was drunk' defence.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman...27269081.shtml

From the article:

Quote:

Mel Gibson & Mark Foley: The Cult of Victimization Continues
By Christopher J. Stephens
Oct 15, 2006

In a much publicized recent interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer, actor/director Mel Gibson became the latest to cry victim as the blanket excuse for his actions. It also seems bad pre-publicity for his 2004 film "The Passion of the Christ." triggered his anti-semitic tirade. "Now even before anyone saw a frame of film, for an entire year, I was subjected to a pretty brutal sort of public beating," he said. "And during the course of that, I think I probably had my rights violated in many different ways as an American, as an artist, as a Christian, just as a human being."

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has issued a press release accepting that Mel Gibson has taken the "first 'baby steps' on the road to recovery" yet also notes that "there is an element of denial in his comments when he attributes anti-Semitic outbursts to the alcohol."

ADL press release here: http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4909_12.htm

It doesn't matter if it is's Hollywood stars or disgraced politicians such as Mark Folley, it seems that whatever your ill, all you need to do is spend a week or two in rehab which I'm sure is code for 'luxury 5 star resort', or say the alchohol or pressures of life made me do it.

The full ABC News article is here: http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Entert...2557656&page=1

I can see his point, he probably did get crap about his Passion of Christ film as this would of been an insult to some, but still no excuse to go on a drunken spree nutting off about the Jews. Alcohol! And its legalised in most countries

Oh well back to me Rum

fredbass · 10-16-06, 04:00 PM

Mel Gibson is no dumby. As far as I'm concerned, he meant what he said. It's just that it took plenty of alcohol for the truth to slip out. I would say that the only way he has a chance of getting out of this one is to sincerely change his attitude towards jews and explain that to the public in a very convincing way. And he's not done it yet, as far as I'm concerned.

Coda · 10-16-06, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbass

Mel Gibson is no dumby. As far as I'm concerned, he meant what he said. It's just that it took plenty of alcohol for the truth to slip out.

I agree with this. His true feelings came to light as the alcohol impaired his better judgement. This is my pet peeve. Prejudice is the highest form of human ignorance.

People can change beliefs and sometimes do. In this case, I'll never believe a word he says on the subject. Anything that comes out of his mouth from this point forward is nothing but damage control. He'll say anything to save his career and salary.

He dug his hole, I hope they bury him in it.

TteFAboB · 10-16-06, 04:14 PM

The only victim here is me! I had to look at his drunken photo because of the whole stoty. Why, oh why?!

kiwi_2005 · 10-16-06, 04:28 PM

Mel has been a big drinker even before his early days of his career he once claimed he was pissed as a hen when filming his Mad Max movies - their is no doubt the guy is a alcoholic yet is hiding behind it with his fame and fortune. Hes a aussie, a binge drinker ( sorry aussie mates) we kiwis aren't far behind anyways

. So all Mel has shown is the typical alcoholic that gets rotten drunk and then goes on a verbal abuse rant about other nationalities or what not. Then wakes up the next day and wishes he fell in a bottemless hole:rotfl:

If he had said im very sorry for what ive done i have a alcohol problem and i was wrong in saying what i said then the guy should be treated like a king but all ive read is the typical alcoholic rant - making alot of excuses. Its common in alcoholics.

Hylander_1314 · 10-16-06, 07:09 PM

They said Mel Gibson couldn't pull off a Scotsman when he made Braveheart, and it turns out that he's both an alchoholic, and a racist.

bookworm_020 · 10-16-06, 09:55 PM

Mel is American. He came to Australia when he was young after his father died (his mother is Australian). It's a bit like Russell Crow is a New Zealander, but he says he Australian.

If NEw Zealand want him, you can have him back, just give us Keisha Castle-Hughes back.... No, changed my mind, you can have them both.

Rose · 10-16-06, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coda

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Originally Posted by fredbass

Mel Gibson is no dumby. As far as I'm concerned, he meant what he said. It's just that it took plenty of alcohol for the truth to slip out.

I agree with this. His true feelings came to light as the alcohol impaired his better judgement. This is my pet peeve. Prejudice is the highest form of human ignorance.

People can change beliefs and sometimes do. In this case, I'll never believe a word he says on the subject. Anything that comes out of his mouth from this point forward is nothing but damage control. He'll say anything to save his career and salary.

He dug his hole, I hope they bury him in it.

Yep. I love when people say he didn't mean what he said... They'll say, "oooo, it was the alchohol's fault" :rotfl: . Drink loosens the tongue, not predilection and bias. If anything, it enhances the latter. Alcohol alters what you say, not what you think.

XabbaRus · 10-17-06, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

They said Mel Gibson couldn't pull off a Scotsman when he made Braveheart, and it turns out that he's both an alchoholic, and a racist.

Huh? Care to explain?

STEED · 10-17-06, 05:44 AM

He wasn't very convincing after all the true Scotsman has no long johns under his kilt.

Did anyone spot the errors in that film? What a joke.

I was surprised that Scotland did not declare war on Mel Gibson, may have something to do with he was there number customer for scotch whiskey at the time.

May be. :hmm:

madDdog67 · 10-17-06, 08:22 AM

I wouldn't worry too much about Mel...with the bank he made on The Passion, he'll be back. There's already some prominent Jewish producers who said they'd work with him in the future. The lure of the almighty $$ is pretty strong.

The bottom line is that, for a while longer, the U.S. is still a free country. Mel is free to be a drunken bigot, and the rest of us are free to decide whether or not to see his movies. Why this whole episode was news past the first 24 hours of the story is beyond me, personally.

10-16-06, 04:00 PM	#4
fredbass Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Port Richey, Fl, USA Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Mel Gibson is no dumby. As far as I'm concerned, he meant what he said. It's just that it took plenty of alcohol for the truth to slip out. I would say that the only way he has a chance of getting out of this one is to sincerely change his attitude towards jews and explain that to the public in a very convincing way. And he's not done it yet, as far as I'm concerned. Last edited by fredbass; 10-16-06 at 04:03 PM.

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TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The only victim here is me! I had to look at his drunken photo because of the whole stoty. Why, oh why?! __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Mel has been a big drinker even before his early days of his career he once claimed he was pissed as a hen when filming his Mad Max movies - their is no doubt the guy is a alcoholic yet is hiding behind it with his fame and fortune. Hes a aussie, a binge drinker ( sorry aussie mates) we kiwis aren't far behind anyways . So all Mel has shown is the typical alcoholic that gets rotten drunk and then goes on a verbal abuse rant about other nationalities or what not. Then wakes up the next day and wishes he fell in a bottemless hole:rotfl: If he had said im very sorry for what ive done i have a alcohol problem and i was wrong in saying what i said then the guy should be treated like a king but all ive read is the typical alcoholic rant - making alot of excuses. Its common in alcoholics. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	They said Mel Gibson couldn't pull off a Scotsman when he made Braveheart, and it turns out that he's both an alchoholic, and a racist. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

10-16-06, 09:55 PM	#9
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Mel is American. He came to Australia when he was young after his father died (his mother is Australian). It's a bit like Russell Crow is a New Zealander, but he says he Australian. If NEw Zealand want him, you can have him back, just give us Keisha Castle-Hughes back.... No, changed my mind, you can have them both. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

10-16-06, 03:46 PM	#2
Coda Medic Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 159 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	He said stupid things. There is a record of stupid things. He is a celebrity, he knows stupid things he says will be recorded and repeated. Anything that happens to him is his own fault. He has to take responsibility for his actions. He has no room to cry foul. He commited the foul. The Dummy.

10-17-06, 05:44 AM	#12
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	He wasn't very convincing after all the true Scotsman has no long johns under his kilt. Did anyone spot the errors in that film? What a joke. I was surprised that Scotland did not declare war on Mel Gibson, may have something to do with he was there number customer for scotch whiskey at the time. May be. :hmm: __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

10-17-06, 08:22 AM	#13
madDdog67 Loader Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: VA, USA Posts: 84 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I wouldn't worry too much about Mel...with the bank he made on The Passion, he'll be back. There's already some prominent Jewish producers who said they'd work with him in the future. The lure of the almighty $$ is pretty strong. The bottom line is that, for a while longer, the U.S. is still a free country. Mel is free to be a drunken bigot, and the rest of us are free to decide whether or not to see his movies. Why this whole episode was news past the first 24 hours of the story is beyond me, personally.