Nazism in Germany on the march

[Skybird]

In recent state election in the East, Neonazi party members have massively intimidated stands and politicians especially of the two left parties throughout the region, while a number of stands got vandalised and people got attacked and beaten. All this unhidden - and unoposed by local residents. Several incidents even were caught on film, but the TV cameras did not stop the Nazi mobsters. Nazi violence and intimidation is also spreading at oublic school, especially in the East, and a huge number of small villages and small city communities are known that are ruled by tyranny of local Nazi gangs.

It seems that the lacking economical "Aufschwung" in the East, and the dying perspectives of young people, produces plenty of fertile ground for Nazism. In Eastern states, we know of communities were up to 40% of local residents support Nazism, and vote correspondingly. In the West, growing anger at growing levels of "Ausländer" and spreading Islam also plays a role.

This is the background for these two articles:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...442447,00.html (only one example of many, unfortunately)

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...437593,00.html (on the elections last month)

Will Germany's fate be to get pulverized in friction between the extremism of Nazism and the extremism of Islam? Neither the church nor the political institutions seem to be aware of what is going on. Almost all social representaives seem to have only one thing on their mind: to talk things smooth, and to express how optimistic they are. And that a huge and clear majority of Germans in general oppose the idea or ongoing immigration of foreigners, especially from Muslim countries, while politicians ignore that and propagate policies that enforce directly opposite developements does not help ro limit growing radicalisation.

[The Avon Lady]

I recall my warnings of this on another forum some 2-3 years ago being shrugged off as the usual Jewish paranoia.

Suprise - not.

[Skybird]

Sounds familiar to me. I too am observing these developements since 3 or 4 years with growing concerns, but where mentioning it in forums or in real life, just bgetb laughed at, and getting called a pessimist. "Germany now is a democracy!", that is the magical formula to ban any unwanted thoughts.

[AG124]

I believe I read an article not long ago in which the author stated that right-wing extremists comparable to neo-nazis were recently elected in a German federal election. Is this true, or just an exaggeration?

Do you think this could be an eventual danger elsewhere in the West - if populations finally become so afraid of and disgusted with Islam there could be a wave of extreme right-wing governments coming into power? That not a future to look forward to...

EDIT - here is the article, and another similar one.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1603874.ece

http://www.rickross.com/reference/ne...eonazis46.html

Also interesting:

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?from=...0757721741B265

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by AG124

Do you think this could be an eventual danger elsewhere in the West - if populations finally become so afraid of and disgusted with Islam there could be a wave of extreme right-wing governments coming into power? That not a future to look forward to...

While that is a definite possibility, you should be aware that neo-Nazis and Muslims go hand in hand: search for "neo-nazis" @ JihadWatch.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by AG124

Do you think this could be an eventual danger elsewhere in the West - if populations finally become so afraid of and disgusted with Islam there could be a wave of extreme right-wing governments coming into power? That not a future to look forward to...

The rise of Nazis in Germany has not much to do with Islam. As a matter of fact many of them like radical Muslim countries, since they fight against the evil Jews ("the enemy of my enemy is my friend"). There are also not many Muslims in the Eastern part of Germany, the vast majority lives in West Germany where Nazis are almost non-existant.

[The Noob]

It's the same in the neibor country, austria. Total *******tards like BZÖ and FPÖ, official partys there get more and more voters every election. This sucks.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AG124

I believe I read an article not long ago in which the author stated that right-wing extremists comparable to neo-nazis were recently elected in a German federal election. Is this true, or just an exaggeration?

Do you think this could be an eventual danger elsewhere in the West - if populations finally become so afraid of and disgusted with Islam there could be a wave of extreme right-wing governments coming into power? That not a future to look forward to...

1st question: Yes. the NPD has been present in seven state paliamants in the late 60s and early 70, and currently is present in one or two (hu, I really don't know it exactly currently! ) of the five Eastern states. The NPD describes itself as "nationalistic", but the Verfassungsschutz rates it as extreme radical rightwing, and dropouts gave descriptions of internal proceedings that make it clear that the NPD sees itself as the successor of the traditons of the Nazis and Hitler.

2nd question: Yes. In the past years Neonazis were arrogant enough to think that they could master Islam and thus cooperated with Islamic extremists, since both ideologies are hostile towards western constitutions and democracies they saw Islam as a natural ally of similiar ruthlessness, but in the immediate past they seem to have learned that they were wrong in that assumption and became aware of the immense power of Islam that hardly ever would be controllable by a fascist social order under world views as outlined by Hitler. They now take strong stands against Islam again, although they do not tend to make an explicit difference between hostility towards Islam and hostility towards "Ausländer" in general. but the cooperation in the underground seems to have faded out. This I did not only read about, but received some insider info from a BKA man that I know.

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sounds familiar to me. I too am observing these developements since 3 or 4 years with growing concerns, but where mentioning it in forums or in real life, just bgetb laughed at, and getting called a pessimist. "Germany now is a democracy!", that is the magical formula to ban any unwanted thoughts.

Agreed. Everyone ridicules me in austrian forums, but it's true. FPÖ+BZÖ=Nazi=NPD!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Skybird

(hu, I really don't know it exactly currently! )

Here it is:
2004 Sachsen-Anhalt 9.2% ,
2006 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern 7.3%,
overall trend since German reunification: slow but constant increases in most states.

Also see wikipedia.

[STEED]

Here's a British view point or should I say my own on what's going on here in England, we have a right wing party called the BNP who have some seats on councils up in north they use the immigration problem and twist the facts. They effetely are saying all immigrates are Muslims which is not true, they are using the race card as well and saying there are too many black people in the country. I am amazed at how some people can fall for this rubbish.

But you have too take in to account our most resent Labour government that has fiddled the figures on immigration and bent over backwards for Muslims, no wonder people turn to and support the BNP. They have no answers to the problems in England all they do is prey on peoples fears, what I can see is the return of the race riots of the 1980's.

I have a strange feeling this is all part of something even bigger and much more sinister. Wrong thinking from the government is playing in to the hands of both sides we are seeing early signs of things to come. I don’t have ground level information on other countries and there problems with right wing moments, only what I see on the news. Skybird, has given in sights to what’s going on in Germany and there dose seem to be something going on in Europe.

[CB..]

here is IMO the true source and danger of Political Correctness ...
it is based entirely on fear...it undermines the publics general trust in their own thoughts feelings and ability to make decent judgements..it allso severely restricts their (our) ability to speak out..for fear..of being seen as politically incorrect..it introduces us and maintains a system where-by we have become used to being ruled by those who can and do either make us afraid..or by deciet or subtefuge can make themselves appear to be un-afraid (read that in youth culture terms as "cool"..perhaps another story)

so we react to fear with subservience and passive acceptance..instead of rejecting it and it's precepts with the contempt they deserve,....the Nazi's perfected this system of population control and manipulation...it is no surprise that they (or similar) should thrive under this regime ..


i say again..that in Nazi germany the holocaust WAS Politically Correct...

[AG124]

In Canada, I believe I have heard more polls are showing a growing distrust for Muslims by the rest of the population. Can't find one at the moment though, and although I have heard similar things about other countries I can't confirm that either.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Here it is:
2004 Sachsen-Anhalt 9.2% ,
2006 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern 7.3%,
overall trend since German reunification: slow but constant increases in most states.

Also see wikipedia.

2005 Northrhine-Westphalia 0.9%. And that´s Germany´s largest state, it also has the largest population of Muslims and foreigners percentage-wise.

Sure, 0.9% is still too much, but I bet that at least 80% of their voters are not Nazis and don´t actually hate foreigners, they were just unhappy with the current government and the economy.

[fredbass]

Originally Posted by Skybird

"Germany now is a democracy!", that is the magical formula to ban any unwanted thoughts.

I don't know why you must always make statements which have no merit.

Now please don't take that as a flame, but rather, why don't you actually tell us something that is true.