Dual core compatibility

Respenus · 09-22-06, 03:07 PM

OK, I'm writing this post from ym fathers Linux comp as I'm waiting for my neighbour to put together my new comp.

It's gonna be the new Intel 2 DUO E6300 1,866 GHz processor (I know that it's not the best one out there, but remember I need a completetly new motherboard), Gigabyte GeForce 7600 GT (passive cooling) and 2 GB DDII 800 MHz RAM.

Now I want to know if Silent Hunter III in any way works better on the new dual-core machines (too bad it's not a 64bit game

). I heard that the new Intel processor works wonders, even with my new "not so best" processor.

I already play the game at full detail, but is there any difference. I'm sure some of you already have dual-core machines and will be able to tell me if there is any difference at all!

fredbass · 09-22-06, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Respenus

OK, I'm writing this post from ym fathers Linux comp as I'm waiting for my neighbour to put together my new comp.

It's gonna be the new Intel 2 DUO E6300 1,866 GHz processor (I know that it's not the best one out there, but remember I need a completetly new motherboard), Gigabyte GeForce 7600 GT (passive cooling) and 2 GB DDII 800 MHz RAM.

Now I want to know if Silent Hunter III in any way works better on the new dual-core machines (too bad it's not a 64bit game

). I heard that the new Intel processor works wonders, even with my new "not so best" processor.

I already play the game at full detail, but is there any difference. I'm sure some of you already have dual-core machines and will be able to tell me if there is any difference at all!

Well I'm not an expert, but the purpose of dual core is that certain programs would run on one core while others run on another at the same time, so the game is run on one while your antivirus is running on another. At least I think that's what is supposed to happen. So to me, if it does what's intended then the answer to your question should be yes, generally speaking. So as I see it, with one core, I am forced to close all other programs while I play to avoid conflicting issues, but by having a second core, you could in theory keep a program open like your AV.

SteamWake · 09-22-06, 03:44 PM

I have no problems with one.

Respenus · 09-22-06, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

I have no problems with one.

But does the game work any differently. I know that in others high-res games the new cores help, but I'm not sure what will the difference be in SH3.

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Well I'm not an expert, but the purpose of dual core is that certain programs would run on one core while others run on another at the same time, so the game is run on one while your antivirus is running on another. At least I think that's what is supposed to happen. So to me, if it does what's intended then the answer to your question should be yes, generally speaking. So as I see it, with one core, I am forced to close all other programs while I play to avoid conflicting issues, but by having a second core, you could in theory keep a program open like your AV.

I'm no expert either, but I belive that dual-core processors don't work that way!

fredbass · 09-22-06, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Respenus

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Well I'm not an expert, but the purpose of dual core is that certain programs would run on one core while others run on another at the same time, so the game is run on one while your antivirus is running on another. At least I think that's what is supposed to happen. So to me, if it does what's intended then the answer to your question should be yes, generally speaking. So as I see it, with one core, I am forced to close all other programs while I play to avoid conflicting issues, but by having a second core, you could in theory keep a program open like your AV.

I'm no expert either, but I belive that dual-core processors don't work that way!

Well maybe we can get an expert to help us out a bit.

spork542 · 09-22-06, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbass

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Originally Posted by Respenus

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Well I'm not an expert, but the purpose of dual core is that certain programs would run on one core while others run on another at the same time, so the game is run on one while your antivirus is running on another. At least I think that's what is supposed to happen. So to me, if it does what's intended then the answer to your question should be yes, generally speaking. So as I see it, with one core, I am forced to close all other programs while I play to avoid conflicting issues, but by having a second core, you could in theory keep a program open like your AV.

I'm no expert either, but I belive that dual-core processors don't work that way!

Well maybe we can get an expert to help us out a bit.

It does work like that.

CCIP · 09-22-06, 06:02 PM

My dual-core Pentium IV (3.06GHz) is running the game beautifully. It's not a huge improvement over my previous single-core Athlon, to be honest, but I think there is a certain performance ceiling for the game that I have already hit. Likewise, I have not observed that much difference between 1 and 2GB of RAM.

Does it work with Dual-core processors well? You bet.
Is it worth getting a Dual-core processor? Yes, I think so. But not for SHIII. You won't see much change from a decent non-dual-core machine.

Henry_pl · 09-22-06, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Respenus

I already play the game at full detail, but is there any difference. I'm sure some of you already have dual-core machines and will be able to tell me if there is any difference at all!

What kind of difference were you expecting ?
FPS is all that can change when you get a new cpu.

If you already play at 100% details.

Respenus · 09-23-06, 03:17 AM

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What kind of difference were you expecting ?
FPS is all that can change when you get a new cpu.

If you already play at 100% details.

In fact don't really know. That's why I asked. You never know.

Well I get the machine today and then I'll be able to tell you guys if there was any difference at all!

ecm747x · 09-23-06, 03:42 AM

Will the dual core help? yes it will. How it will help is split what programs are running on what cpu letting your game have more cpu resorces to work from. Dual core systems are more geared for multi tasking. Having several programs running at once. There is not a lot of software out right now that utilizes the benefits of dual cores but it is comming.
I have an AMD 4800+x2 processor. I play BF2 a lot as well. It helped this game due to taking other programs and running them on the other cpu. That is where your better game play will come in. WIll you get a rise in FPS. Maybe a few but not a whole lot. That comes from the actual speed of the cpu, graphics and bus.

HanSolo78 · 09-23-06, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Respenus

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What kind of difference were you expecting ?
FPS is all that can change when you get a new cpu.

If you already play at 100% details.

In fact don't really know. That's why I asked. You never know.

Well I get the machine today and then I'll be able to tell you guys if there was any difference at all!

The core 2 duos have a stronger MHz power perciycle than P4 or Athlon64.
I just bought a dualcore a few weeks ago and I realized that some situation got more FPS! For example the landing at D-day got about 7 to 10 FPS more.
All in all you shouldn´t notice much different but if you try to overclock that cpu you´ll
should see more differents @ 3GHz Core2Duo.

regards
Han

Respenus · 09-23-06, 08:16 AM

Well I'm writing this from my new machine (haven't installed SH3 yet).

But I got the picture! I was running the anti-virus programme and played a game at the same time. My old computer would go balistic if I tried to do that. I does help a lot.

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I have an AMD 4800+x2 processor.

I was going for the 4200+ X2, but they ran fresh out!

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All in all you shouldn´t notice much different but if you try to overclock that cpu you´ll
should see more differents @ 3GHz Core2Duo.

Then I'd need liquid nitrogen cooling for that. Going from 1,866 to 3 GHz is an almost 100% overclock. I really doubt anything would take it. It would probably fall aprt. Plus with this new Core 2 DUO proccesors. you really can't look at it's speed. It outranks Athlon, if you compare processors with similar speeds.

Henry_pl · 09-23-06, 09:37 AM

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Then I'd need liquid nitrogen cooling for that. Going from 1,866 to 3 GHz is an almost 100% overclock. I really doubt anything would take it. It would probably fall aprt. Plus with this new Core 2 DUO proccesors. you really can't look at it's speed. It outranks Athlon, if you compare processors with similar speeds.

Then you'll be suprised by core 2 processors

e6300 (1,86 ghz) overclocks without any problems even to 2,8ghz on STOCK cooling (yeah on that pathetic cooler incuded in the BOX version)- when a mobo is not in a case- just on a table with appropriate air flow.
If you can provide good ventilation you may reach similar results in a comp case.

If using better heat sink (ex. scythe ninja) you can reach 3ghz easily.

Read xtremesystems, especially this thread :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=106321

And remember that if they write there "prime stable" that means that their system works good with prime95 programme (google it to find out what it is)- other applications, even games, hardly ever use as much CPU resources as p95 does.

09-23-06, 11:35 AM

Ok, I confess, I'm playing SH3 on a PIII 1.2 GHz PC.........DUAL. Yep thats right, a DUAL PIII setup. Now I'm not talking about a 2 in 1 Dual CPU, but 2 Completely independant CPU's. No real different than a Dual core tho. If you dont believe me look up this Intel CPU.

PIII -SM Tualitin 1.2GHz L2/512 FSB133MHz

These are a MP Architech CPU.

Now Technicaly speaking I'm well below Minimum System Spec's as far as a CPU is concerned for SH3. And as for my RAM, well you must be thinking - SDRAM @ 133MHz, it must run like CRAP! Well heres another interesting tid bit, I dont run SDRAM, No Sir, I'm running DDR RAM, yep you heard me right, DDR. On a PIII - He's full of it you must be thinking. Nope, MSI made a wee lil M/Board for the PIII -SM Tualitin CPU's that could handlel DDR RAM and upto 4GB's of it at that! Now I use to have 4GB of 333MHz (clocked back to 266MHz) but after a small run in with a drink spill I'm down to 2GB's. Now remember tho, this is still a PIII M/Board, so my AGP slot is only a 4 x AGP.

So what does all this lead to, well you asked "Would a Dual Core make any difference to SH3". I can answer whole heartedly........YES. And heres the proof, at 40-60FPS depending on conditions (remember this is out of a 4 x APG - PIII set up), my game looks like this.

Not to foul for a 4 year old PC, if I do say so myself!

Henry_pl · 09-23-06, 02:12 PM

Gibs- Literally your comp is "dual core"- but today's "dual core" processors mean something slightly different

Allright you have 2 cores- but the purpose of using 2 cores in 1 processor instead of one is not to "HAVE 2 COREs" but to boost performance

How much L2 memory does those dual PIII have ? 256 or 512 for each processor.
New Core2 duo have 2mb or 4mb L2 cache to share for both cores.
Comparing 2 old processors made to work together with new dual core cpus is useless.
Completely different technology, different architecture etc.
Tuluain- 130 micrometers technology, Conroe- 65 micrometers

But apart from all that-
If you want to buy a (faster/dual core/other brand) CPU- Do not expect ANY other difference than (higher/lower) Frames Per Second and (better/worse) general performance (freezes, choppiness etc.) in ANY game !
CPU is just a kind of calculator which works on basic electrical signals- the only difference between CPUs is HOW FAST they can do calculations.

09-22-06, 03:07 PM	#1
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Dual core compatibility OK, I'm writing this post from ym fathers Linux comp as I'm waiting for my neighbour to put together my new comp. It's gonna be the new Intel 2 DUO E6300 1,866 GHz processor (I know that it's not the best one out there, but remember I need a completetly new motherboard), Gigabyte GeForce 7600 GT (passive cooling) and 2 GB DDII 800 MHz RAM. Now I want to know if Silent Hunter III in any way works better on the new dual-core machines (too bad it's not a 64bit game ). I heard that the new Intel processor works wonders, even with my new "not so best" processor. I already play the game at full detail, but is there any difference. I'm sure some of you already have dual-core machines and will be able to tell me if there is any difference at all!

09-22-06, 06:02 PM	#7
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	My dual-core Pentium IV (3.06GHz) is running the game beautifully. It's not a huge improvement over my previous single-core Athlon, to be honest, but I think there is a certain performance ceiling for the game that I have already hit. Likewise, I have not observed that much difference between 1 and 2GB of RAM. Does it work with Dual-core processors well? You bet. Is it worth getting a Dual-core processor? Yes, I think so. But not for SHIII. You won't see much change from a decent non-dual-core machine. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

09-22-06, 03:44 PM	#3
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I have no problems with one.

09-23-06, 03:42 AM	#10
ecm747x Gunner Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA, Indiana Posts: 94 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Will the dual core help? yes it will. How it will help is split what programs are running on what cpu letting your game have more cpu resorces to work from. Dual core systems are more geared for multi tasking. Having several programs running at once. There is not a lot of software out right now that utilizes the benefits of dual cores but it is comming. I have an AMD 4800+x2 processor. I play BF2 a lot as well. It helped this game due to taking other programs and running them on the other cpu. That is where your better game play will come in. WIll you get a rise in FPS. Maybe a few but not a whole lot. That comes from the actual speed of the cpu, graphics and bus.

09-23-06, 11:35 AM	#14
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Ok, I confess, I'm playing SH3 on a PIII 1.2 GHz PC.........DUAL. Yep thats right, a DUAL PIII setup. Now I'm not talking about a 2 in 1 Dual CPU, but 2 Completely independant CPU's. No real different than a Dual core tho. If you dont believe me look up this Intel CPU. PIII -SM Tualitin 1.2GHz L2/512 FSB133MHz These are a MP Architech CPU. Now Technicaly speaking I'm well below Minimum System Spec's as far as a CPU is concerned for SH3. And as for my RAM, well you must be thinking - SDRAM @ 133MHz, it must run like CRAP! Well heres another interesting tid bit, I dont run SDRAM, No Sir, I'm running DDR RAM, yep you heard me right, DDR. On a PIII - He's full of it you must be thinking. Nope, MSI made a wee lil M/Board for the PIII -SM Tualitin CPU's that could handlel DDR RAM and upto 4GB's of it at that! Now I use to have 4GB of 333MHz (clocked back to 266MHz) but after a small run in with a drink spill I'm down to 2GB's. Now remember tho, this is still a PIII M/Board, so my AGP slot is only a 4 x AGP. So what does all this lead to, well you asked "Would a Dual Core make any difference to SH3". I can answer whole heartedly........YES. And heres the proof, at 40-60FPS depending on conditions (remember this is out of a 4 x APG - PIII set up), my game looks like this. Not to foul for a 4 year old PC, if I do say so myself!

09-23-06, 02:12 PM	#15
Henry_pl Seaman Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Cracow, Poland Posts: 33 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Gibs- Literally your comp is "dual core"- but today's "dual core" processors mean something slightly different Allright you have 2 cores- but the purpose of using 2 cores in 1 processor instead of one is not to "HAVE 2 COREs" but to boost performance How much L2 memory does those dual PIII have ? 256 or 512 for each processor. New Core2 duo have 2mb or 4mb L2 cache to share for both cores. Comparing 2 old processors made to work together with new dual core cpus is useless. Completely different technology, different architecture etc. Tuluain- 130 micrometers technology, Conroe- 65 micrometers But apart from all that- If you want to buy a (faster/dual core/other brand) CPU- Do not expect ANY other difference than (higher/lower) Frames Per Second and (better/worse) general performance (freezes, choppiness etc.) in ANY game ! CPU is just a kind of calculator which works on basic electrical signals- the only difference between CPUs is HOW FAST they can do calculations.