Radeon Cards

kiwi_2005 · 09-19-06, 05:27 AM

Could someone be kind enough to give a list of the Radeon cards in order from the lowest spec card to the highest. A mate is asking me about the x800xt cards whether they're good and worth $380 NZ i wouldn't have a clue as im not a radeon user but i told him i think the x1900x ATI are the best cards to get out of the radeons.:hmm:

So a list of whats the lowest spec to the best out there (just the cards that are out today not the 7500 8000 crappers)

Gizzmoe · 09-19-06, 05:45 AM

AFAIK there is no such list. An interesting list is the "The Desktop Graphics Card Comparison Guide":
http://www.rojakpot.com/showarticle....rtno=88&pgno=0

$380NZ is an acceptable price for that card. I have a X800XL, it´s a bit slower than the X800XT, and I´m still quite happy with it.

kiwi_2005 · 09-19-06, 05:55 AM

Thanks gizmoe thats a good enough list

SUBMAN1 · 09-20-06, 01:19 PM

My ATI x1900 XTX may be my last. The reason? It is already drawing in 120+ Watts, but this is the real problem. THe real problem is that ATI is talking 250+ Watts with their next gen board. I will not put a space heater (which is what that amounts to) in my case just to get faster speed. 120 Watts is bad enough, but 250??? What the hell are they thinking?

-S

PS. I should point out that this to me means old tech just overclocked to reach those speeds. New technology means same wattage - just more speed - this is not what ATI will be providing for this next generation of cards.

SUBMAN1 · 09-20-06, 01:40 PM

This will show you how outragous these power req are for a 250 Watt card. Notice - 147 Watts for a machine equiped with not one, but two hard drives, 2 GB RAM, Athlon 64, etc!!!! That new generation of vid card is pushing 2x the power draw alone that this fully equipped machine draws!!!!

-S

PS. 250 Watts is rediculous!!

http://www.silentpcreview.com/section5.html

NOTES:

All the systems have two hard drives.
The AC input power was measured directly; it is what the PSU draws from the AC line. The DC output power was calculated based on the efficiency of the PSU used in each system. It is the DC power delivered to the components in the system by the PSU. We have measured the efficiency of all the actual PSUs used in the above systems. The results have been posted in previous PSU reviews. The exception is system D, where a clamp meter was used to measure the DC power delivered.
It IS possible to obtain about 10~15% higher peak power draw with the same systems by engaging all the drives in the system to write and read to each other simultaneously. The actual work a PC can do under such multitasking conditions is minimal, and this kind of usage can be considered a gross abuse of the system. However, ensuring some overload margin is not unwise.
Folding @ Home is a pretty good realistic maximum power draw number for a system used with many software applications. The power draw during folding also closely approximates turn-on maximum power draw in these systems.
The highest power consumption was achieved while running PCMark04, a system benchmarkwhich brings the VGA card into play. The recorded wattage is the highest peak seen during this benchmark. Sustained maximum was about 5~10% lower.
These numbers are fairly accurate and based on empirical testing, but for argument's sake, you could say they're as much as 10% too low. The max power draw of any system we've discussed here would still be much less than 300W DC.

POSTSCRIPT — Sept 7, 2006

It's obvious that the data in this table requires some updating now to reflect improvements in CPU power efficiency as well as increases in video card power demand. Dual video card gaming systems also increase power demand greatly. In the context of SPCR, however, SLI / Crossfire are gross excesses. High powered dual vidcard systems just cannot be made quiet without resorting extreme measures, and the benefit is required or appreciated only by a fanatical handful.
Most "power requirement calculators" on the web provide unrealistically high recommendations about how much power you need for a given set of components. Outervision eXtreme's PSU Calculator appears to be much closer to earth. It also has a huge range of input parameters, such as surge compensation and capacitor aging. It seems to yield a fairly precise estimate of your system power needs and allows individual "comfort level" factors to be factored in.

SUBMAN1 · 09-20-06, 01:41 PM

One last post before I step off my soap box:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34446

-S

09-19-06, 05:27 AM	#1
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Radeon Cards Could someone be kind enough to give a list of the Radeon cards in order from the lowest spec card to the highest. A mate is asking me about the x800xt cards whether they're good and worth $380 NZ i wouldn't have a clue as im not a radeon user but i told him i think the x1900x ATI are the best cards to get out of the radeons.:hmm: So a list of whats the lowest spec to the best out there (just the cards that are out today not the 7500 8000 crappers) __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others. Last edited by kiwi_2005; 09-19-06 at 05:51 AM.

09-19-06, 05:55 AM	#3
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Thanks gizmoe thats a good enough list __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

09-20-06, 01:19 PM	#4
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My ATI x1900 XTX may be my last. The reason? It is already drawing in 120+ Watts, but this is the real problem. THe real problem is that ATI is talking 250+ Watts with their next gen board. I will not put a space heater (which is what that amounts to) in my case just to get faster speed. 120 Watts is bad enough, but 250??? What the hell are they thinking? -S PS. I should point out that this to me means old tech just overclocked to reach those speeds. New technology means same wattage - just more speed - this is not what ATI will be providing for this next generation of cards. __________________ Last edited by SUBMAN1; 09-20-06 at 01:22 PM.

09-20-06, 01:40 PM	#5
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This will show you how outragous these power req are for a 250 Watt card. Notice - 147 Watts for a machine equiped with not one, but two hard drives, 2 GB RAM, Athlon 64, etc!!!! That new generation of vid card is pushing 2x the power draw alone that this fully equipped machine draws!!!! -S PS. 250 Watts is rediculous!! http://www.silentpcreview.com/section5.html *NOTES:* All the systems have two hard drives. The AC input power was measured directly; it is what the PSU draws from the AC line. The DC output power was calculated based on the efficiency of the PSU used in each system. It is the DC power delivered to the components in the system by the PSU. We have measured the efficiency of all the actual PSUs used in the above systems. The results have been posted in previous PSU reviews. The exception is system D, where a clamp meter was used to measure the DC power delivered. It IS possible to obtain about 10~15% higher peak power draw with the same systems by engaging all the drives in the system to write and read to each other simultaneously. The actual work a PC can do under such multitasking conditions is minimal, and this kind of usage can be considered a gross abuse of the system. However, ensuring some overload margin is not unwise. Folding @ Home is a pretty good realistic maximum power draw number for a system used with many software applications. The power draw during folding also closely approximates turn-on maximum power draw in these systems. The highest power consumption was achieved while running PCMark04, a system benchmarkwhich brings the VGA card into play. The recorded wattage is the highest peak seen during this benchmark. Sustained maximum was about 5~10% lower. These numbers are fairly accurate and based on empirical testing, but for argument's sake, you could say they're as much as 10% too low. The max power draw of any system we've discussed here would still be much less than 300W DC. *POSTSCRIPT — Sept 7, 2006* It's obvious that the data in this table requires some updating now to reflect improvements in CPU power efficiency as well as increases in video card power demand. Dual video card gaming systems also increase power demand greatly. In the context of SPCR, however, SLI / Crossfire are gross excesses. High powered dual vidcard systems just cannot be made quiet without resorting extreme measures, and the benefit is required or appreciated only by a fanatical handful. Most "power requirement calculators" on the web provide unrealistically high recommendations about how much power you need for a given set of components. Outervision eXtreme's PSU Calculator appears to be much closer to earth. It also has a huge range of input parameters, such as surge compensation and capacitor aging. It seems to yield a fairly precise estimate of your system power needs and allows individual "comfort level" factors to be factored in. __________________

09-20-06, 01:41 PM	#6
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	One last post before I step off my soap box: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34446 -S __________________

09-19-06, 05:45 AM	#2
Gizzmoe Silent Hunter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,668 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	AFAIK there is no such list. An interesting list is the "The Desktop Graphics Card Comparison Guide": http://www.rojakpot.com/showarticle....rtno=88&pgno=0 $380NZ is an acceptable price for that card. I have a X800XL, it´s a bit slower than the X800XT, and I´m still quite happy with it.