Putin is turning Russia back into USSR

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i heard that Putin is starting a arms race in russia and going back to communism to restore the Old USSR

good for him ive waited for last 3 years for him to do that

why?

Bush accused him of helping "terrorists" (Iran, China oil deal)

Putin isnt taking sh*t anymore from bush i mean nobody on this planet shud

[Deathblow]

How soon things are forgoten.

We do remember how communism has proven inferior to capitalism in most every major measurement... the USSR just didn't trip and fall, it collapsed for reasons. And the current boom that China is experiencing is intimately related to the abadonment of communist ideals and the imbrace of capitalism, no coincidence there.

But heck, if Russia wants to convert back to communism and doom itself to being 2nd rate, who the heck cares.

[Happy Times]

The way they are going reminds me more of national socialism, though they have taken some traditions from USSR, but also from the late Russian Empire.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

i heard that Putin is starting a arms race in russia and going back to communism to restore the Old USSR

Russia is in no position to start any arms race economically. And you must be too young to know what the USSR was. There are many that celebrated when it ceased to exist.

[The Noob]

Deathblow, USSR just collapsed because the Politicans got Corrupt.

The problem are the People not communism.

Capitalism is bad for the "Normal" people with little money. Capitalism is only good for the Big Damn Concerns. I'm not one of these, i ain't rich, so to hell with Capitalism!

Thats my way of view.

[STEED]

Over to Kapitan for comments on this one.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Deathblow, USSR just collapsed because the Politicans got Corrupt.

The problem are the People not communism.

Capitalism is bad for the "Normal" people with little money. Capitalism is only good for the Big Damn Concerns. I'm not one of these, i ain't rich, so to hell with Capitalism!

Thats my way of view.

Hmmm ... this could be true. I'm quitting my job tomorrow, down with progress. :rotfl:

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Hmmm ... this could be true. I'm quitting my job tomorrow, down with progress. :rotfl:

What's so funny about what i said?

BTW, 'Progress' is going way to Fast for me anyway.

[CB..]

depends on wether you believe that Russia abandoned communism under duress..if you can accept the possibility of that then it may be that what is actually happening is that Russia is simply taking notice of their emerging communist neighbours China..a not unsuccessful little country which is seemingly imune to the pull of American political power..perhaps because they have mopped up huge elements of the wests domestic good manufacturing market and some what cannily has bought a substantial proportion of Americas national debt..now if you were an old communist country who had been forced to abandon it's past under economic pressure from the west or you had simply run out of money..,,,and you noticed just how succesful your communist neighbour was-- and that neighbour wasn't ill disposed to some form of co-operation..well the possibilities are endless..damn right putins ressurecting the USSR--wouldn't you??

China is on the verge of becoming a super power in it's own right...Russia and China together would be pretty much unstoppable..even as they stand now..in 50 years time well...we can only hope we don't deliberatly set our selves up for a major fall by spending those 50 years winding the sods up..

[Deathblow]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Deathblow, USSR just collapsed because the Politicans got Corrupt.

The problem are the People not communism.

Capitalism is bad for the "Normal" people with little money. Capitalism is only good for the Big Damn Concerns. I'm not one of these, i ain't rich, so to hell with Capitalism!

Thats my way of view.

I disagree.

Every political system is corrupt. The capitalist government is no less corrupt than the USSR's. Heck if you ask any US citizen he/she will openly admit that Washington politicians are greedy, corrupt, balantly, openly, and continuously showing that their true loyalties can be bought by political power and campaign funding.

Heck one of the original arguments of Marx against capitalism was that capitalism was inherently more prone to corruption. Its citizens openly motivated by greed and self-interest rather than duty or loyalty... even US military development is governed by one thing and one thing only... money, with contractors working only for self-interest to make cash off military contracts, which motivates quality.

So the corruption on both sides, capitalism and communism, is equal... given that... why did one side become the most dominant economic force in the history of civilization... and the other represent one of the worlds largest collapse?

Capitalism > Communism. Its been proven.

[Deathblow]

Originally Posted by CB..

depends on wether you believe that Russia abandoned communism under duress..if you can accept the possibility of that then it may be that what is actually happening is that Russia is simply taking notice of their emerging communist neighbours China..a not unsuccessful little country which is seemingly imune to the pull of American political power..perhaps because they have mopped up huge elements of the wests domestic good manufacturing market and some what cannily has bought a substantial proportion of Americas national debt..now if you were an old communist country who had been forced to abandon it's past under economic pressure from the west or you had simply run out of money..,,,and you noticed just how succesful your communist neighbour was-- and that neighbour wasn't ill disposed to some form of co-operation..well the possibilities are endless..damn right putins ressurecting the USSR--wouldn't you??

China is on the verge of becoming a super power in it's own right...Russia and China together would be pretty much unstoppable..even as they stand now..in 50 years time well...we can only hope we don't deliberatly set our selves up for a major fall by spending those 50 years winding the sods up..

You should probably look into China a little closer. Its current economic boom is a direct result of its abandoment of communist systems and embrace of capitalistic systems. The more capitalistic its society gets, the stronger it becomes.

Here, try looking at these
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/red/view/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/ (sections 4, 5, and 6)

[The Noob]

Capitalism > Communism. Its been proven.

You are a Friend of Bush aren't you!?!?

As your own post says, Humans are Self interestet A$$holes.
And with Self interestet Greedy and Corrupt people Communism can't work.

And, who cares for Economy? Right, the Concerns and the Rich, Because they need it to get Richer.

Capitalism IS more Prone to Corruption because the Capitalist system is based on Owning Stuff. And Money. For getting both, people do anything, in other words, get Corrupt.

The problem is that with People wich are First thinking of thier own Good and 2. on how good a action will be for the others Communism can't work how it's supposed to be. And after a Certain amount of time it Breaks down under thes Curcumstances.

Who finds Typo's can keep 'em.

[CB..]

Originally Posted by Deathblow

You should probably look into China a little closer. Its current economic boom is a direct result of its abandoment of communist systems and embrace of capitalistic systems. The more capitalistic its society gets, the stronger it becomes.

Here, try looking at these
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/red/view/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/ (sections 4, 5, and 6)

all that really shows it that they have learn't from Russia's mistakes..what ever you believe about the situation they are co-operating with Russia (see the Iranian situation)- and Russia is re-evaluating it's self in light of China's success- and China remains a Communist State..slightly post modern perhaps but that's to be expected..they are not daft..things change.. and they are on the verge of true super power status..and to people of all political persuasions that is significant..

[AG124]

I don't think that it is capitalism that is the greatest attraction of Western societies to their populations, but liberal (with a small 'l') democracy and the personal freedoms associated with it. Capitalism may not be loved by everyone, but I guess it is widely regarded as a necessary evil. Communism involves the overt suppression of freedom of speech by a vanguard dictator in the name of preventing the resurrection of capitalism until a utopia has been achieved. However, it just sets the stage for a dictatorship to permanently emerge.

I recall a quote I once heard, but I forget who said it. It was in reference to either democracy or capitalism or both. The quote was something to this effect: It is the absolute worst system in the world, except for every other system in the world.

[The Noob]

I Hate Liberalism.