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Old 07-15-06, 08:42 PM   #1
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Anyone know where I can find some rifle manuals? I sort of found myself owning an AK-47 last weekend. Yeah, I sound like it wasn't planned because it wasn't (I already have an AR-15 which I prefer so I do not need it, but it does add to my collection so I'll keep it) - long story where a friend needed money, but I hate giving loans, etc., so now I own this thing, but can't find any manuals on it. It's a Bulgarian SA93 imported by Arsenal, has milled (not stamped) receiver, etc. Can't seem to find any details on it online. I can find that it is one of the best quality AK's made, but that's where it stops.

Stumped. Any clues would be appreciated. I don't need the manual, but it would be nice. The reason is even though I have some experince on an AK, the operation of this thing is so simple that a chimp can figure it out, from pulling out the spring, bolt carrier, etc. Gas line pulls out real easy too. It would just be a nice thing to read - I always like to read the safety sections, etc. regardless how easy a firearm is.

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Old 07-16-06, 12:01 AM   #2
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Step One:

Go to this Website: http://www.hk94.com/hk/index.php?&

Step Two: Register your name.

Step Three: Post in the newbie section and introduce yourself.

Step Four: After we have our fun with you we will explain in far better detail where your rifle came from, where to get manuals, and (at no fee or hidden charge) we will also educate you on correct terminology. Or we could just eat you alive (just kidding).
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Old 07-16-06, 10:37 AM   #3
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Step One:

Go to this Website: http://www.hk94.com/hk/index.php?&

Step Two: Register your name.

Step Three: Post in the newbie section and introduce yourself.

Step Four: After we have our fun with you we will explain in far better detail where your rifle came from, where to get manuals, and (at no fee or hidden charge) we will also educate you on correct terminology. Or we could just eat you alive (just kidding).
All I want is a manual. Don't feel like registering on another forum. The reason is, just like in the computer world, everyone in the gun world is a damn expert. I could probably train at least half of them too on their own gun! I am just one of those guys that takes a life jacket and puts it on the bottom of a canoe when on a canoe ride, or more on topic, I make sure I am armed every time I go out into the forests out here! Call me a survivor or so, but if something bad happens, I am usually prepared for it, or at least have an out. An example is, even though I have had goverment model .45's, I still read the manual for my Kimber ProCarry .45 when I bought it, regardless that its nearly the same operation - does that tell you anything? Basically - I take it seriously.

Anyway, I found the US Army's AK-47 training manual (which is not what I really want but will work), and then I found out it was removed from the US Army's site for some reason. I can't win!

-S

PS. I prefer the Krinkov to this thing. Put many thousand rounds through fully auto Krinks before (I have friends that are BATF class 2 registered and have to own everything under the sun). To me though, the AK is just a plinker for a weekend.
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Old 07-16-06, 10:50 AM   #4
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Russian Dragunov sniper rifle manual. I much needed that for OFP.
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Old 07-16-06, 11:12 AM   #5
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Russian Dragunov sniper rifle manual. I much needed that for OFP.
Thanks! I'll save that one.
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Old 07-16-06, 11:14 AM   #6
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Upon further examination of this thing (Haven't looked at it much yet because I;ve been busy with other things) is that I thought this thing was imported by Arsenal USA. That is not the case. Though it is still made by Arsenal in Bulgaria, it has Sentinel Arms, Detroit Mich stamped on the side, right above made in Bulgaria. Maybe I have been looking for the wrong thing all along. Interesting.

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Old 07-16-06, 01:16 PM   #7
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This is exactly why I wanted a manual - to know things like this - notice the possibility of a round fired just by cycling - Maybe I'm too safety paranoid, but I don't plan on being a Darwin statistic!

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When the trigger is pulled, the hammer falls, hits the rear of the firing pin, and the round detonates. Note that the AK-47 bolt is locked closed by rotating when the bolt carrier is moved forward (there is a cam on the top of the bolt that engages a slot in the bolt carrier to accomplish the rotation). The firing pin is free-floating -- there is no spring to hold it retracted until the hammer falls. Consequently, if one manually cycles live rounds through the AK-47, one will observe light indentations on the primers where the firing pit hit against them as the action closed. Consequently, it is inadvisable to chamber live rounds unless you are prepared for the possibility of the weapon firing when you do so.
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Old 07-16-06, 03:22 PM   #8
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"Consequently, it is inadvisable to chamber live rounds unless you are prepared for the possibility of the weapon firing when you do so."

:rotfl:

Sorry, I couldn't help it over that one.

But really, the site I provided would be the best idea for you to go onto. The guys there are good and friendly and very helpful. If you need manuals or just basic information, ask them.
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Old 07-16-06, 04:37 PM   #9
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"Consequently, it is inadvisable to chamber live rounds unless you are prepared for the possibility of the weapon firing when you do so."

:rotfl:

Sorry, I couldn't help it over that one.

But really, the site I provided would be the best idea for you to go onto. The guys there are good and friendly and very helpful. If you need manuals or just basic information, ask them.
yeah yeah - funny. The point is, the action from chambering the round could potentially set it off. That was the point.

I think I found what I need. Thanks though.

-S

PS. This site has a wealth of information. http://www.ak-47.us/

PPS. This site is one of my old favorites for manuals, but is lacking a AK manual www.ar15.com
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Old 07-16-06, 05:10 PM   #10
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"Consequently, it is inadvisable to chamber live rounds unless you are prepared for the possibility of the weapon firing when you do so."

:rotfl:

Sorry, I couldn't help it over that one.

But really, the site I provided would be the best idea for you to go onto. The guys there are good and friendly and very helpful. If you need manuals or just basic information, ask them.
By the way, I think I'll keep that link you gave me. Has lots of good stuff for sale!

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Pretty much any weapon with a rotating bolt will have the firing pin dent the primer. M-16's do it as well. The round isn't foing to go off jsut from cycling it manually unless you continously put the cycled rounds through the weapon in that manner.
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Pretty much any weapon with a rotating bolt will have the firing pin dent the primer. M-16's do it as well. The round isn't foing to go off jsut from cycling it manually unless you continously put the cycled rounds through the weapon in that manner.
My AR doesn't have this problem.

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Old 07-17-06, 01:42 AM   #13
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I am just one of those guys that takes a life jacket and puts it on the bottom of a canoe when on a canoe ride, (...)
Were you trying to imply that you were safety conscious, or do you mean you carry a spare PFD for knee comfort reason?
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I am just one of those guys that takes a life jacket and puts it on the bottom of a canoe when on a canoe ride, (...)
Were you trying to imply that you were safety conscious, or do you mean you carry a spare PFD for knee comfort reason?
Comfort of course! :p

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PS. No - I take it so I have something that floats just incase. The shore always looks so close... Famous last words.
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I am just one of those guys that takes a life jacket and puts it on the bottom of a canoe when on a canoe ride, (...)
Were you trying to imply that you were safety conscious, or do you mean you carry a spare PFD for knee comfort reason?
Comfort of course! :p

-S

PS. No - I take it so I have something that floats just incase. The shore always looks so close... Famous last words.
"I have a PFD in the canoe" is also a famous last phrase. Those things are meant to be worn...

If you carry a spare, I'd recommend a life ring or rescuit quoit ; they're much easier to throw.
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