Tgw

Mooncatt · 07-15-06, 02:58 AM

last night i downloaded GW and all i can say is WOW i cant beleive what ive been missing, i just wanna say thanx for all the hard work thats gone into it.

anyway moving on.... since GW has completely changed the game its more or less like starting again, how do you know what kind of ship your targeting as all it tells you is that its a contact, how do you determine if its a c2 or c3 etc etc thanx in advance

JScones · 07-15-06, 03:33 AM

You basically need to see the ship and then look for the corresponding silhouette in the Recognition Manual. Once you find a match - ship identified! After a while you won't need to rely on the Manual as much.

Here's the link to the associated WIKI page... http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...ifying_Targets

Apparently (I've never tried this) the quick way to link the manual to the sighted ship is to lock on to the ship in scope view and click on the word SHIP in the upper right hand target notepad. This will open up the recognition manual to the page of the ship you've locked onto.

BTW, if you/anyone want the ship names back, all you need do is reinstall TGW11a but this time DON'T select the "Generic ship contact names" option.

Mooncatt · 07-15-06, 03:44 AM

ahh so its just an added realism thing then, lol i thought generic names meant that the ships actually had names .eg hms suffolk

JScones · 07-15-06, 03:52 AM

No, unfortunately SH3 does not support specific ship names. It only allows class names like "C2 Cargo", "C3 Cargo", etc (or the generic "Contact" for all classes if running with the GW option installed).

It would be great if SH3 did support individual ship names - some of the game files suggest that this feature was planned at some stage, but subsequently dropped.

Only SH3Cmdr can provide individual ship names for your sinkings.

Mooncatt · 07-15-06, 04:00 AM

ok cool, so basically to id a ship as friendly or enemy you need to see the flag then yes? and then determine if its c2 c3 etc

JScones · 07-15-06, 04:35 AM

Yep. Flag determines nationality. What you ascertain first will depend on target distance and your experience. If the target is far away, you'll likely be able to determine the type before the nationality. If it's close, perhaps both at the same time or nationality first. A lot also comes with experience: after a while you'll be able to recognise the ship type simply by the smoke or number of funnels etc and you will remember whether, for example, the Greek tramp steamer you're targetting is a friend or foe in July 1940.

P_Funk · 07-15-06, 05:06 AM

Ok here's one I haven't heard mentioned. How do you identify a Neutral or Enemy ship at night without firing star shells?:hmm:

Mooncatt · 07-15-06, 05:31 AM

mmm very good question ummmmmm no idea lol

07-15-06, 01:20 PM

How did they do it in real life? And the best evidence I've seen indicates that U-boats didn't carry starshells.

My monitor seems to be brighter than most (too bright, in fact, for my taste), so I have no trouble seeing flags at night. I think the real solution is to not shoot unless you are sure. Lets a lot of ships slip by, but at night attacking only convoys is probably the best thing.

NeonSamurai · 07-15-06, 03:06 PM

Dont some of the convoys though have neutral ships mixed in at least in early war years?

07-16-06, 02:47 PM

Yes they do. I think NYGM changes that. I just set my neutral ship setting so I get 0 renown, one way or the other. That way I don't get credit, but I don't get clobbered either.

bigboywooly · 07-16-06, 03:01 PM

Didnt seem to bother the uboats in RL whether it was neutral of not

16.01.1940 - 22.01.1940
Second Sailing - active patrol
On the 16th Jan 1940, U-9 left Kiel under the command of Wolfgang Lüth for operations off of East Anglia and after six days arrived at Wilhelmshaven on 22nd Jan 1940.
Wolfgang Lüth hit two ships on this patrol.

On 18th Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,179 ton Flandria.
On 19th Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,188 ton Patria.

06.01.1940 - 16.01.1940
Seventh Sailing - active patrol
U-20 left Kiel under the command of Karl-Heinz Moehle on 6th Jan 1940 for operations E of the Orkneys and arrived at Wilhelmshaven on 16th Jan 1940 after one and a half weeks.
Karl-Heinz Moehle hit one ship on this patrol.

On 13th Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,524 ton Sylvia

16.01.1940 - 30.01.1940
First Sailing - active patrol
U-55 left Kiel under the command of Werner Heidel on 16th Jan 1940. The boat was sunk on 30th Jan 1940.
Werner Heidel hit six ships on this patrol, two of these ships were in convoy, both of them were from convoy OA-80G.

On 18th Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,304 ton Foxen.
On 19th Jan 1940 he sank the Norwegian 1,694 ton Telnes.
On 21st Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,357 ton Andalusia.
On 22nd Jan 1940 he sank the Norwegian 1,387 ton Segovia.
On 30th Jan 1940 he sank the British 5,026 ton Vaclite, sailing with convoy OA-80G.
On 30th Jan 1940 he sank the Greek 5,085 ton Keramiai, a member of convoy OA-80G.

Lol I thought Sweden were neutal ????

All above from http://ubootwaffe.net/

07-15-06, 02:58 AM	#1
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Tgw last night i downloaded GW and all i can say is WOW i cant beleive what ive been missing, i just wanna say thanx for all the hard work thats gone into it. anyway moving on.... since GW has completely changed the game its more or less like starting again, how do you know what kind of ship your targeting as all it tells you is that its a contact, how do you determine if its a c2 or c3 etc etc thanx in advance

07-15-06, 03:33 AM	#2
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	You basically need to see the ship and then look for the corresponding silhouette in the Recognition Manual. Once you find a match - ship identified! After a while you won't need to rely on the Manual as much. Here's the link to the associated WIKI page... http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...ifying_Targets Apparently (I've never tried this) the quick way to link the manual to the sighted ship is to lock on to the ship in scope view and click on the word SHIP in the upper right hand target notepad. This will open up the recognition manual to the page of the ship you've locked onto. BTW, if you/anyone want the ship names back, all you need do is reinstall TGW11a but this time DON'T select the "Generic ship contact names" option. Last edited by JScones; 07-15-06 at 03:40 AM.

07-15-06, 05:06 AM	#7
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Ok here's one I haven't heard mentioned. How do you identify a Neutral or Enemy ship at night without firing star shells?:hmm: __________________

07-15-06, 03:06 PM	#10
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Dont some of the convoys though have neutral ships mixed in at least in early war years? __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

07-16-06, 03:01 PM	#12
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Didnt seem to bother the uboats in RL whether it was neutral of not 16.01.1940 - 22.01.1940 Second Sailing - active patrol On the 16th Jan 1940, U-9 left Kiel under the command of Wolfgang Lüth for operations off of East Anglia and after six days arrived at Wilhelmshaven on 22nd Jan 1940. Wolfgang Lüth hit two ships on this patrol. On 18th Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,179 ton Flandria. On 19th Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,188 ton Patria. 06.01.1940 - 16.01.1940 Seventh Sailing - active patrol U-20 left Kiel under the command of Karl-Heinz Moehle on 6th Jan 1940 for operations E of the Orkneys and arrived at Wilhelmshaven on 16th Jan 1940 after one and a half weeks. Karl-Heinz Moehle hit one ship on this patrol. On 13th Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,524 ton Sylvia 16.01.1940 - 30.01.1940 First Sailing - active patrol U-55 left Kiel under the command of Werner Heidel on 16th Jan 1940. The boat was sunk on 30th Jan 1940. Werner Heidel hit six ships on this patrol, two of these ships were in convoy, both of them were from convoy OA-80G. On 18th Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,304 ton Foxen. On 19th Jan 1940 he sank the Norwegian 1,694 ton Telnes. On 21st Jan 1940 he sank the Swedish 1,357 ton Andalusia. On 22nd Jan 1940 he sank the Norwegian 1,387 ton Segovia. On 30th Jan 1940 he sank the British 5,026 ton Vaclite, sailing with convoy OA-80G. On 30th Jan 1940 he sank the Greek 5,085 ton Keramiai, a member of convoy OA-80G. Lol I thought Sweden were neutal ???? All above from http://ubootwaffe.net/ __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

07-15-06, 03:44 AM	#3
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	ahh so its just an added realism thing then, lol i thought generic names meant that the ships actually had names .eg hms suffolk

07-15-06, 03:52 AM	#4
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	No, unfortunately SH3 does not support specific ship names. It only allows class names like "C2 Cargo", "C3 Cargo", etc (or the generic "Contact" for all classes if running with the GW option installed). It would be great if SH3 did support individual ship names - some of the game files suggest that this feature was planned at some stage, but subsequently dropped. Only SH3Cmdr can provide individual ship names for your sinkings.

07-15-06, 04:00 AM	#5
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	ok cool, so basically to id a ship as friendly or enemy you need to see the flag then yes? and then determine if its c2 c3 etc

07-15-06, 04:35 AM	#6
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Yep. Flag determines nationality. What you ascertain first will depend on target distance and your experience. If the target is far away, you'll likely be able to determine the type before the nationality. If it's close, perhaps both at the same time or nationality first. A lot also comes with experience: after a while you'll be able to recognise the ship type simply by the smoke or number of funnels etc and you will remember whether, for example, the Greek tramp steamer you're targetting is a friend or foe in July 1940.

07-15-06, 05:31 AM	#8
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	mmm very good question ummmmmm no idea lol

07-15-06, 01:20 PM	#9
Sailor Steve Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	How did they do it in real life? And the best evidence I've seen indicates that U-boats didn't carry starshells. My monitor seems to be brighter than most (too bright, in fact, for my taste), so I have no trouble seeing flags at night. I think the real solution is to not shoot unless you are sure. Lets a lot of ships slip by, but at night attacking only convoys is probably the best thing.

07-16-06, 02:47 PM	#11
Sailor Steve Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Yes they do. I think NYGM changes that. I just set my neutral ship setting so I get 0 renown, one way or the other. That way I don't get credit, but I don't get clobbered either.