Windows Messenger starting up with Outlook Express

Drebbel · 06-30-06, 09:13 AM

I recently re-formatted and re-installed XPhome. Now when I fire up Outlook Express the Windows Messenger starts up as well. Why is that, and how do I disable this ?

Hopefully one of you can help me out

Thanks !

Skybird · 06-30-06, 09:34 AM

the XP-switches for some internal fucntions nare dummies only, the one for switching on and off Messenger is such a dummy. you need to disable the Messenger externally with a tool. XP-antispy, for example. Amongst many other useful options it allows to shoot the messenger.http://xp-antispy.org/?lang=en&optio...id=1&Itemid=32

jumpy · 06-30-06, 09:38 AM

in OE6 goto Tools\Options then uncheck the box pertaining to automatic logon to messenger.

Drebbel · 06-30-06, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpy

in OE6 goto Tools\Options then uncheck the box pertaining to automatic logon to messenger.

Thanks Jumpy, I unticked that box but Windows Messenger is still firing up when I start Outlook Express :-)

Drebbel

jumpy · 06-30-06, 10:30 AM

^
lmao
maybe try and turn off the setting in messenger itself that control auto start with windows logon and the 'connect automatically to internet' settings - tools\options\general - see if that has eny effect?
also check to see if you 'program files' dir is set to 'read only' in the folder properties/attributes - uncheck and apply to 'all folders & subfolders' - I had a problem with winamp not keeping its skin settings (following an OS reinstall) and unchecking 'read only' seemed to solve this.

I guess if that fails threaten your PC with a large fire-axe if it refuses to co-operate

Skybird · 06-30-06, 10:48 AM

Again, these switches do not work, and that is well-known info since years. Kill the messenger via XP-Antispy, or another tool like that. There is a reason why such an option is included in such tools. You cannot do it from within Windows.

Spoon 11th · 06-30-06, 10:52 AM

Rename the messenger folder in program files folder to messenger.disabled

jumpy · 06-30-06, 11:01 AM

curious, is this problem only associated with certain editions of windows? I've had XP pro for years and never encountered this problem...

other than the 'stock' version of windows over riding the latest versionis and trying to sign you in twice from the same machine.
Damn windows

Drebbel · 06-30-06, 11:21 AM

If I delete messenger completely I can not use Windowshelp to log on to a remote computer (to help out my mother when she is stuck again).

I know I had messenger auto-start switched off before without deleting it completely. Now I disabled autostart from messenger itself and in outlook express. It does not autostart with XP but still does autostart with outlook express.

Perhape a reboot will help

Will try that now

Spoon 11th · 06-30-06, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Explore the C drive, expand the program files folder, right-click & rename Messenger to "MessengerOff" (or an equally inventive name- ;^)

You'll get the obligatory pop-up saying this will cause certain programs not to function (meaning Messenger, in this case)- click "ok" & you're done.

Keep in mind that Outlook Express needs to be closed in order to rename Messenger. This is a quick fix & leaves Messenger available if there's ever a time you DO want it? Just name it back to Messenger...

simple

Malefactor · 06-30-06, 11:03 PM

If you have Administrative Privileges you could go into the Services section of Adminstrative Tools and stop/disable the Windows Messenger system service that way.

Drebbel · 07-01-06, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malefactor

If you have Administrative Privileges you could go into the Services section of Adminstrative Tools and stop/disable the Windows Messenger system service that way.

Disable ? Does that mean it can never start up again ?

XabbaRus · 07-01-06, 03:24 PM

Must be your copy of XP Sky as I disabled Messenger no problem on XP Home...

Skybird · 07-02-06, 07:20 AM

Are people aware that there are TWO Messenger coming with windows? One that is Windows Messenger, and one that is named Messenger Service, which is something completely different? I assume Drebbel is aware of that and refers to the first?!

If it is only my copy of Windows, than all these tools have been made by strangers with just my little person in mind!

Neither on my nor on other systems I was ever able to disable the loading of Messenger when Windows reboots by the usual procedures explained in FAQs from the net, or how you usually would activate and deactivate such services. It has something to do with Microsoft policies of pushing their products along with their OS, like the trouble around Java or the Media Player. The problem of removing the Messenger is intentional, not a random event. For many people it simply does not work to deactivate it as expected, thus they created tools to deactivate it from outside (and allow to activate it again, if wanted). The German wikipedia clearly states that Windows Messenger is integral part of Windows XP Home and does not have any visible deinstallation routine - you cannot remove it by the usual methods and from within windows. It is a reduced version of MSN Messenger 8.0, called windows Messenger It is the same for XP Home and XP Pro.
http://www.chunkypig.com/msn/windows...er_remover.php

http://www.soft32.com/download_20927.html

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/R...essenger.shtml

What these tools do is probably essentially just what is explained in this short description.

http://www.updatexp.com/disable-messenger-msn.html

Since I never have used any of the tools I linked to above, I still recommend to use the XP-antispy which I have used since years and can confirm that it works reliable in all it'S many functions. Link in my first reply.

Maybe different standards of windows Updates have adressed the issue, and now it is no more an issue. I haven'T checked for that. If Drebbel hasn'T updated his Windows since longer time, he may want to check for that possebility.

And I don'T tell people a fourth time to deactivate Messenger from outside the internal Windows options in case the internal functions do not work for them!

:rotfl:

Drebbel · 07-07-06, 12:43 AM

I found the solution. The tool I need to run once is "MessengerDisable.exe", download it for free at http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_mess_disable.htm

You have various options, as you can see below. One of the options is "prevent messenger from loading with OutlookExpress", and that is just what I need. Works perfect.

06-30-06, 09:13 AM	#1
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Windows Messenger starting up with Outlook Express I recently re-formatted and re-installed XPhome. Now when I fire up Outlook Express the Windows Messenger starts up as well. Why is that, and how do I disable this ? Hopefully one of you can help me out Thanks !

06-30-06, 09:34 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	the XP-switches for some internal fucntions nare dummies only, the one for switching on and off Messenger is such a dummy. you need to disable the Messenger externally with a tool. XP-antispy, for example. Amongst many other useful options it allows to shoot the messenger.http://xp-antispy.org/?lang=en&optio...id=1&Itemid=32 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-30-06, 09:38 AM	#3
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	in OE6 goto Tools\Options then uncheck the box pertaining to automatic logon to messenger. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

06-30-06, 10:30 AM	#5
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	^ lmao maybe try and turn off the setting in messenger itself that control auto start with windows logon and the 'connect automatically to internet' settings - tools\options\general - see if that has eny effect? also check to see if you 'program files' dir is set to 'read only' in the folder properties/attributes - uncheck and apply to 'all folders & subfolders' - I had a problem with winamp not keeping its skin settings (following an OS reinstall) and unchecking 'read only' seemed to solve this. I guess if that fails threaten your PC with a large fire-axe if it refuses to co-operate __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

06-30-06, 10:48 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Again, these switches do not work, and that is well-known info since years. Kill the messenger via XP-Antispy, or another tool like that. There is a reason why such an option is included in such tools. You cannot do it from within Windows. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-30-06, 10:52 AM	#7
Spoon 11th Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 689 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Rename the messenger folder in program files folder to messenger.disabled

06-30-06, 11:01 AM	#8
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	curious, is this problem only associated with certain editions of windows? I've had XP pro for years and never encountered this problem... other than the 'stock' version of windows over riding the latest versionis and trying to sign you in twice from the same machine. Damn windows __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

06-30-06, 11:21 AM	#9
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	If I delete messenger completely I can not use Windowshelp to log on to a remote computer (to help out my mother when she is stuck again). I know I had messenger auto-start switched off before without deleting it completely. Now I disabled autostart from messenger itself and in outlook express. It does not autostart with XP but still does autostart with outlook express. Perhape a reboot will help Will try that now

06-30-06, 11:03 PM	#11
Malefactor Loader Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London, Canada Posts: 88 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	If you have Administrative Privileges you could go into the Services section of Adminstrative Tools and stop/disable the Windows Messenger system service that way. __________________

07-01-06, 03:24 PM	#13
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Must be your copy of XP Sky as I disabled Messenger no problem on XP Home... __________________

07-02-06, 07:20 AM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Are people aware that there are TWO Messenger coming with windows? One that is Windows Messenger, and one that is named Messenger Service, which is something completely different? I assume Drebbel is aware of that and refers to the first?! If it is only my copy of Windows, than all these tools have been made by strangers with just my little person in mind! Neither on my nor on other systems I was ever able to disable the loading of Messenger when Windows reboots by the usual procedures explained in FAQs from the net, or how you usually would activate and deactivate such services. It has something to do with Microsoft policies of pushing their products along with their OS, like the trouble around Java or the Media Player. The problem of removing the Messenger is intentional, not a random event. For many people it simply does not work to deactivate it as expected, thus they created tools to deactivate it from outside (and allow to activate it again, if wanted). The German wikipedia clearly states that Windows Messenger is integral part of Windows XP Home *and does not have any visible deinstallation routine* - you cannot remove it by the usual methods and from within windows. It is a reduced version of MSN Messenger 8.0, called windows Messenger It is the same for XP Home and XP Pro. http://www.chunkypig.com/msn/windows...er_remover.php http://www.soft32.com/download_20927.html http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/R...essenger.shtml What these tools do is probably essentially just what is explained in this short description. http://www.updatexp.com/disable-messenger-msn.html Since I never have used any of the tools I linked to above, I still recommend to use the XP-antispy which I have used since years and can confirm that it works reliable in all it'S many functions. Link in my first reply. Maybe different standards of windows Updates have adressed the issue, and now it is no more an issue. I haven'T checked for that. If Drebbel hasn'T updated his Windows since longer time, he may want to check for that possebility. And I don'T tell people a fourth time to deactivate Messenger from outside the internal Windows options in case the internal functions do not work for them! :rotfl: __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-07-06, 12:43 AM	#15
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I found the solution. The tool I need to run once is "MessengerDisable.exe", download it for free at http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_mess_disable.htm You have various options, as you can see below. One of the options is "prevent messenger from loading with OutlookExpress", and that is just what I need. Works perfect.