gfx card: recommendation for Germany

Skybird · 06-12-06, 03:41 PM

I think I get myself a new gfx card, and think about the X850XT. I need the AGP-version.

I spend the afternoon to search the web for a good supply source not too far away from Germany. It is not that easy anymore to get that card, especially not in AGP. I choosed the models by Sapphire, which in test was described to have an acceptably cooler (noise-wise), and the one by mad-moxx, which uses a socalled ATI silencer.

http://www.mad-moxx.de/shop/articleD...eId=1005.10209

Other manufacturers, I repeatedly red, turned the card into a pretty noisy one.

I know where to get the second version for 270 euros, which is more than I planned to spend, and appears to me as being a bit overpriced, but I did not find it any cheaper. Maybe someone knows a better place to buy...?

Thanks

SUBMAN1 · 06-12-06, 05:11 PM

A good card is an x800 GTO if you plan to go with the x800 family. It can be had for about $150 US and is much better than your 5900 XT in Oblivion. I think the x850 is only PCI-E though. The x800 series can be found in AGP. If you can afford it, the 7800 GT in AGP would be the best AGP board you can get.

CHeck the review:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/28/don/

And here are some benchmarks from Anandtech:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2746&p=7

Skybird · 06-12-06, 06:37 PM

The x850 family is slightly faster than the x800, and it can be found as AGP, but AGP is dying out. the 7800 are too expensive, and are often mentioned to be noisy.I hate it that these tester almost never have something to say about the noise-level, temperature and power consumption. Only a small minority seem to mention these data.This will be the last AGP card that I buy for my system, so it has to do the work that comes for the remaining lifeitme of my current system. Not only Oblivion, but FSX as well.Palit X850XT is available, too, and one or two other manufactures too, but no one can tell me about the quality and noise level of these manufacturers.Fantastic game, this Oblivion, btw. Looks great even at 640x480

Dust · 06-12-06, 08:36 PM

what
http://www.3dcenter.de/

where
http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/

general info
http://www.heise.de/

serious infos there

Gizzmoe · 06-13-06, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Palit X850XT is available, too

Many buyers seem to be happy with that card, there are 23 reviews:
http://www.alternate.de/html/product...l?artno=JAGHA1

Skybird · 06-13-06, 05:15 AM

Thanks. I try the Palit then, the significantly lower price really is an argument. I have checked for a Zalman VX700, though, just in case the cooler turns out to be crap. but even with that as a second it would be cheaper.

Looking forward to a new visual experience.

Are ATI drivers as critical in updates (manually cleaning the reigstry and remaing parts after deinstalling an old and before installing a new driver)?

Gizzmoe · 06-13-06, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Are ATI drivers as critical in updates (manually cleaning the reigstry and remaing parts after deinstalling an old and before installing a new driver)?

No, just uninstall the old driver, reboot and install the new one.

SUBMAN1 · 06-13-06, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Thanks. I try the Palit then, the significantly lower price really is an argument. I have checked for a Zalman VX700, though, just in case the cooler turns out to be crap. but even with that as a second it would be cheaper.

Looking forward to a new visual experience.

Are ATI drivers as critical in updates (manually cleaning the reigstry and remaing parts after deinstalling an old and before installing a new driver)?

Noise level of the cards has never bothered me because I custom mod them after the fact anyway. Right now, I can't hear my x1900 XTX, but when I bought it, I could start to hear it any time I started using anything 3D.

Arctic Cooling has always worked out for me. I had an Arctic Cooler on my 9800 as well. They are cheap $30 or less and worth every penny. You can turn any noisey card into silence with them. Just keep the old fan around incase you need to RMA the board.

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/

A good place to figure out how to quiet things down is Silent PC Review:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/

-S

SUBMAN1 · 06-13-06, 01:17 PM

This is the x850 version:

Skybird · 06-13-06, 01:48 PM

The Palit board does not follow ATI's reference design, that'S why he usual x850 coolers do not fit on them. The Zalman also beats most coolers out there anyway bot h with reagrd to cooling efficiency and noise level. I could get it at 30 Euros, all copper, inclusive shipping. That is okay for the price.

Have i mentioned that I love Oblivion...?

SUBMAN1 · 06-13-06, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

The Palit board does not follow ATI's reference design, that'S why he usual x850 coolers do not fit on them. The Zalman also beats most coolers out there anyway bot h with reagrd to cooling efficiency and noise level. I could get it at 30 Euros, all copper, inclusive shipping. That is okay for the price.

Have i mentioned that I love Oblivion...?

Zalman usually sucks wind by the way. I heard their current vid cooler is OK, but most of their old products suck. They started the trend, so I give them kudos for that, but they have lost favor among the people who disire little noise as possible. Read up on them at Silent PC Review and you won't like what you read as compared to other products.

Currently the best vid card coolers come from Thermalright but they are rather pricey. This was my alternative to the Accelero when I was building my recent system.
Check out the V1 Ultra - http://www.thermalright.com/

As for the Acellero 2x from Arctic Cooling, it beats the Zalman pretty bad noise wise. Here is a review on the current Accelero - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...g/AcceleroX2/5

Notice that they don't even bother to use Zalman products in their tests.

-S

Skybird · 06-13-06, 02:58 PM

Strange. I did not take the time to find it a second time, but I had two tests this early morning who showed exactly the opposite outcome, in numbers.

Anyhow, I wait and see how the default cooler performs. I don'T use tpwer vents anyway, but have a silent, small room ventilator positoned behind the tower, pumping air into the tower, I can feel the "jetstream" on the front

So, I am sued to a certain noise level, and it is okay. I just do not want it to become even louder.

SUBMAN1 · 06-13-06, 03:01 PM

Sapphire Radeon x850XT review - AGP model - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...onx850xtpeagp/

Skybird · 06-13-06, 03:06 PM

Found this. Beats your models both in noise and temp. Scroll down, there are two graphics.

http://www.dirkvader.de/frame.php?si...e%2Fvf700.html

SUBMAN1 · 06-13-06, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Strange. I did not take the time to find it a second time, but I had two tests this early morning who showed exactly the opposite outcome, in numbers.

Anyhow, I wait and see how the default cooler performs. I don'T use tpwer vents anyway, but have a silent, small room ventilator positoned behind the tower, pumping air into the tower, I can feel the "jetstream" on the front

So, I am sued to a certain noise level, and it is okay. I just do not want it to become even louder.

The Zalman VF700 just gets an average acceptable-quiet rating. There are better solutions out there is all - That is if you plan to purchase it. If you already have a VF700, then that is way better than the stock cooler so you are good to go.

-S

PS. The problem with Zalman is surface area - they put that fan in the middle and it removes a tremendous amount of metal that could be used for cooling - which is what makes it louder than other alternatives out there.

06-12-06, 03:41 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,625 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	gfx card: recommendation for Germany I think I get myself a new gfx card, and think about the X850XT. I need the AGP-version. I spend the afternoon to search the web for a good supply source not too far away from Germany. It is not that easy anymore to get that card, especially not in AGP. I choosed the models by Sapphire, which in test was described to have an acceptably cooler (noise-wise), and the one by mad-moxx, which uses a socalled ATI silencer. http://www.mad-moxx.de/shop/articleD...eId=1005.10209 Other manufacturers, I repeatedly red, turned the card into a pretty noisy one. I know where to get the second version for 270 euros, which is more than I planned to spend, and appears to me as being a bit overpriced, but I did not find it any cheaper. Maybe someone knows a better place to buy...? Thanks __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-12-06, 05:11 PM	#2
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A good card is an x800 GTO if you plan to go with the x800 family. It can be had for about $150 US and is much better than your 5900 XT in Oblivion. I think the x850 is only PCI-E though. The x800 series can be found in AGP. If you can afford it, the 7800 GT in AGP would be the best AGP board you can get. CHeck the review: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/28/don/ And here are some benchmarks from Anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2746&p=7 __________________ Last edited by SUBMAN1; 06-12-06 at 05:14 PM.

06-12-06, 06:37 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,625 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The x850 family is slightly faster than the x800, and it can be found as AGP, but AGP is dying out. the 7800 are too expensive, and are often mentioned to be noisy.I hate it that these tester almost never have something to say about the noise-level, temperature and power consumption. Only a small minority seem to mention these data.This will be the last AGP card that I buy for my system, so it has to do the work that comes for the remaining lifeitme of my current system. Not only Oblivion, but FSX as well.Palit X850XT is available, too, and one or two other manufactures too, but no one can tell me about the quality and noise level of these manufacturers.Fantastic game, this Oblivion, btw. Looks great even at 640x480 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-13-06, 05:15 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,625 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Thanks. I try the Palit then, the significantly lower price really is an argument. I have checked for a Zalman VX700, though, just in case the cooler turns out to be crap. but even with that as a second it would be cheaper. Looking forward to a new visual experience. Are ATI drivers as critical in updates (manually cleaning the reigstry and remaing parts after deinstalling an old and before installing a new driver)? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-13-06, 01:17 PM	#9
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This is the x850 version: __________________

06-12-06, 08:36 PM	#4
Dust Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 114 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	what http://www.3dcenter.de/ where http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/ general info http://www.heise.de/ serious infos there

06-13-06, 01:48 PM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,625 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The Palit board does not follow ATI's reference design, that'S why he usual x850 coolers do not fit on them. The Zalman also beats most coolers out there anyway bot h with reagrd to cooling efficiency and noise level. I could get it at 30 Euros, all copper, inclusive shipping. That is okay for the price. Have i mentioned that I love Oblivion...? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-13-06, 02:58 PM	#12
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,625 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Strange. I did not take the time to find it a second time, but I had two tests this early morning who showed exactly the opposite outcome, in numbers. Anyhow, I wait and see how the default cooler performs. I don'T use tpwer vents anyway, but have a silent, small room ventilator positoned behind the tower, pumping air into the tower, I can feel the "jetstream" on the front So, I am sued to a certain noise level, and it is okay. I just do not want it to become even louder. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-13-06, 03:01 PM	#13
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sapphire Radeon x850XT review - AGP model - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...onx850xtpeagp/ __________________

06-13-06, 03:06 PM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,625 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Found this. Beats your models both in noise and temp. Scroll down, there are two graphics. http://www.dirkvader.de/frame.php?si...e%2Fvf700.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.