Malfunctions/Sabotage in SH3Cmdr???

JScones · 05-19-06, 03:24 AM

As you would have read here, Hemisent has done some great work on developing randomised u-boat equipment malfunctions and simulated damage caused by sabotage. These creations utilise SH3Cmdr's recently added "randomised events" feature.

I'm keen to gain your feedback, as SH3Cmdr users, on whether any or all of his creation should be included as "stock" in SH3Cmdr R2.6. As the changes share the generic "Randomised events.cfg" file, it is not feasible to add a specific selectable option to SH3Cmdr. Hence any additions will automatically execute unless manually removed.

If after reading teh above thread you need further clarification of content, I'll have to defer to Hemisent. I'm sure he'll be happy to answer any specific questions.

kiwi_2005 · 05-19-06, 03:52 AM

Malfunctions with sabotage overlayed.

Salvadoreno · 05-19-06, 03:53 AM

everything!! combined!!!

Gizzmoe · 05-19-06, 04:01 AM

"Malfunctions with sabotage overlayed" sounds good, but only as an option, not as default.

GreyOctober · 05-19-06, 04:49 AM

The tougher it gets, the better! Overlayed!

Scorpius · 05-19-06, 04:52 AM

I dont like sabotage but certainly defects.

Mr.Fleck · 05-19-06, 05:27 AM

I vote for both combined. If possible effects (especially sabotage) should only change from patrol to patrol and not every time the user starts SH3 Commander.

Cheers
Mr. Fleck

JScones · 05-19-06, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fleck

I vote for both combined. If possible effects (especially sabotage) should only change from patrol to patrol and not every time the user starts SH3 Commander.

Good point about sabotage events not randomising mid-patrol. Hemisent, something to consider, if haven't already?

U-Schultz · 05-19-06, 08:05 AM

I voted for malfunctions only.

I think the "sabotage" angle, that seems to be very prominent in some U-boat histories, is way overdone. I have no stats to back up this feeling but if you read mid to late war histories I rarely read of a breakdown or malfunction...the word "sabotage" is always used.

Its difficult for me to imagine that the U-Boat arm could be so sloppy as to allow (seemingly) constant tampering of their boats by foreign dock-workers.
I would guess that poor quality parts, overworked or tired techs, lack of proper parts, increasingly inexperienced crews, and the rush to get returning boats back to sea, are the main cause of problems not "sabotage."

Again, that is my opinion based on years of reading and study.

On a more practical note did I read correctly, in the other thread, that any malfunctions generated will not be repairable at sea (in-game)? i.e., through the standard SH3 repair process?

EDIT: Could this feature be made a "check-box" selectable option in SH3 Commander? Perhaps selectable like the Fatigue models..."Malfunctions Only" or "Malfunctions and Sabotage."

Thx

irish1958 · 05-19-06, 09:33 AM

The BEST of all would be a check box to use or not use one or both mods. I for one would like them both. As for not repairing in mid patrol, any good sabotager would pick something that couldn't be fixed easily or at all.
This is a game and should be fun. It should invoke a response from the player, and nothing gets a response better than when something you can't do anything about goes wrong.
I had a great career going once and CMDR retired me. I was really pissed off, but that's life; and that is realism.
DTB states that the lack of uncertainty is a draw back to realism. I fully agree and enjoy it in a game where things I can't control screw up my plans.
This is the only game I have ever played more than a few times and the reason is the uncertainty, and the wonderful variability supplied by its great modelers. Increasing them will only make it better.
I don't have the computer skills to implement these changes myself, so I rely upon you (all) to make them available for me.
irish1958

mike_espo · 05-19-06, 09:42 AM

Fantastic Idea!

All accounts of U-boat operations mention the "odd" malfunction of systems.

Heibges · 05-19-06, 10:03 AM

If neither is repairable, neither should occur on more than 1% or 2% of patrols. What I would really like is breakdowns that are repairable on all patrols, and sabotage, again, on maybe 1 or 2% or patrols.

I would say not make them a part of SH3 Commander, but have them as seperate JGSME.

SkvyWvr · 05-19-06, 11:22 AM

I'd like the flexability of adding the features myself

VonHelsching · 05-19-06, 12:10 PM

My vote goes to malfunctions.

U-Dog · 05-19-06, 12:17 PM

malfuntions, some repairable at sea others not.

View Poll Results: What should be added as default to SH3Cmdr R2.6?
Just general malfunctions 1939-1945	24	27.91%
Just effects of sabotage 1944-1945	2	2.33%
Malfunctions with sabotage overlayed (ie both combined)	45	52.33%
Nothing - I'll d/l and install separately, if at all	15	17.44%
Voters: 86. You may not vote on this poll

05-19-06, 03:24 AM	#1
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Malfunctions/Sabotage in SH3Cmdr??? As you would have read here, Hemisent has done some great work on developing randomised u-boat equipment malfunctions and simulated damage caused by sabotage. These creations utilise SH3Cmdr's recently added "randomised events" feature. I'm keen to gain your feedback, as SH3Cmdr users, on whether any or all of his creation should be included as "stock" in SH3Cmdr R2.6. As the changes share the generic "Randomised events.cfg" file, it is not feasible to add a specific selectable option to SH3Cmdr. Hence any additions will automatically execute unless manually removed. If after reading teh above thread you need further clarification of content, I'll have to defer to Hemisent. I'm sure he'll be happy to answer any specific questions.

05-19-06, 03:52 AM	#2
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Malfunctions with sabotage overlayed. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

05-19-06, 03:53 AM	#3
Salvadoreno Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	everything!! combined!!! __________________

05-19-06, 04:49 AM	#5
GreyOctober Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 394 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	The tougher it gets, the better! Overlayed! __________________

05-19-06, 04:01 AM	#4
Gizzmoe Silent Hunter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,668 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	"Malfunctions with sabotage overlayed" sounds good, but only as an option, not as default.

05-19-06, 04:52 AM	#6
Scorpius Sparky Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 152 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I dont like sabotage but certainly defects. __________________ Sig removed by request. -.. -- -.- .-.-.- / .--- --. -. .-- --- / --. .-. -- ...- .-. / --. -.-- -..- --.- .-.. / .-- .... -- .--- --.. / .- - .-.. .--- - / - -.- --.- . .-.. / .-- -.- .--. .-. -- / .--- ..- --.. - --.- / .--. -. --- --- ... / .--. .--- .--- .--. -.-. / ... . -... .--- --.- / -. -.- --.. -.. .-. .-.-.- -.. -- -.-

05-19-06, 05:27 AM	#7
Mr.Fleck Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I vote for both combined. If possible effects (especially sabotage) should only change from patrol to patrol and not every time the user starts SH3 Commander. Cheers Mr. Fleck

05-19-06, 08:05 AM	#9
U-Schultz Medic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North Atlantic Posts: 162 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	I voted for malfunctions only. I think the "sabotage" angle, that seems to be very prominent in some U-boat histories, is way overdone. I have no stats to back up this feeling but if you read mid to late war histories I rarely read of a breakdown or malfunction...the word "sabotage" is always used. Its difficult for me to imagine that the U-Boat arm could be so sloppy as to allow (seemingly) constant tampering of their boats by foreign dock-workers. I would guess that poor quality parts, overworked or tired techs, lack of proper parts, increasingly inexperienced crews, and the rush to get returning boats back to sea, are the main cause of problems not "sabotage." Again, that is my opinion based on years of reading and study. On a more practical note did I read correctly, in the other thread, that any malfunctions generated will not be repairable at sea (in-game)? i.e., through the standard SH3 repair process? EDIT: Could this feature be made a "check-box" selectable option in SH3 Commander? Perhaps selectable like the Fatigue models..."Malfunctions Only" or "Malfunctions and Sabotage." Thx __________________ Theres nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot

05-19-06, 09:33 AM	#10
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	SH3CMDR 2.6 The BEST of all would be a check box to use or not use one or both mods. I for one would like them both. As for not repairing in mid patrol, any good sabotager would pick something that couldn't be fixed easily or at all. This is a game and should be fun. It should invoke a response from the player, and nothing gets a response better than when something you can't do anything about goes wrong. I had a great career going once and CMDR retired me. I was really pissed off, but that's life; and that is realism. DTB states that the lack of uncertainty is a draw back to realism. I fully agree and enjoy it in a game where things I can't control screw up my plans. This is the only game I have ever played more than a few times and the reason is the uncertainty, and the wonderful variability supplied by its great modelers. Increasing them will only make it better. I don't have the computer skills to implement these changes myself, so I rely upon you (all) to make them available for me. irish1958

05-19-06, 09:42 AM	#11
mike_espo Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 396 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Fantastic Idea! All accounts of U-boat operations mention the "odd" malfunction of systems.

05-19-06, 10:03 AM	#12
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	If neither is repairable, neither should occur on more than 1% or 2% of patrols. What I would really like is breakdowns that are repairable on all patrols, and sabotage, again, on maybe 1 or 2% or patrols. I would say not make them a part of SH3 Commander, but have them as seperate JGSME. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

05-19-06, 11:22 AM	#13
SkvyWvr Commander Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Addison ME Posts: 469 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Install separately I'd like the flexability of adding the features myself

05-19-06, 12:10 PM	#14
VonHelsching Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,025 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My vote goes to malfunctions. __________________

05-19-06, 12:17 PM	#15
U-Dog Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 111 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	malfuntions, some repairable at sea others not.