Iranian Rocket Torpedo

Bort · 04-04-06, 01:12 AM

I personally think that it was Iranian developed with Russian assistance, what do you think?

BTW, don't know if anyone else saw it, but Jon Stewart did a pretty funny piece about the Hout on last nights Daily Show. I'll post a link if I find it!

Kapitan · 04-04-06, 01:27 AM

The bought a lot off of the ukrain, who in turn bought them off russia.

But the irans could have been assisted to build thier own seeing as they dont want to have to keep placing orders.

The Avon Lady · 04-04-06, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

The bought a lot off of the ukrain, who in turn bought them off russia.

But the irans could have been assisted to build thier own seeing as they dont want to have to keep placing orders.

Ukrainian denial.

Ukraine has always come up being accused of supplying rogue regimes in the Middle East with modern weaponry. Why is that?

Is it a blame game or is there smoke where there will be a fire?

Remember the accusations against Ukraine of them supply Iraq's Republican Guard with the latest sophisticated anti-tank weaponry?

Kapitan · 04-04-06, 04:59 AM

Avon get an unbias source please, russia and ukraine will deny it, american's wont so get something in between.

Butiful source to prove bias there.

The Avon Lady · 04-04-06, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Avon get an unbias source please, russia and ukraine will deny it, american's wont so get something in between.

Butiful source to prove bias there.

Don't shoot me. I'm only the messenger.

Something in between? Searching Icelandic news sources now.............

Kapitan · 04-04-06, 06:09 AM

Do you honestly think a strong ally like ukrain and russia would ever tell the west they sold weapons to a rouge nation.

I dont think so.

Americans will go at anything to accuse anyone of anything ifthey can get thier own way and when it fails they pay you off.

Two biggest liars in the world Russia and america.

The Avon Lady · 04-04-06, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Do you honestly think a strong ally like ukrain and russia would ever tell the west they sold weapons to a rouge nation.

I dont think so.

If you'll read (again) what I personally commented after linking to the Ukrainian news article, you'll see that I very much question Ukrainian - and Russian - intentions.

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Americans will go at anything to accuse anyone of anything if they can get thier own way and when it fails they pay you off.

For example?

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Two biggest liars in the world Russia and america.

China doesn't lie?

Europe doesn't lie?

I simply have no way to measure who's the champion.

I would think the winners would be N. Korea, Iran, etc. They come up with some doozies!

SmokinTep · 04-04-06, 06:50 AM

I say they got them or help from Russia. Russia did say they were going to sell some of theirs.

Kapitan · 04-04-06, 08:15 AM

And they have the VAE-111 which is the export version.

There was an incident in a war torn country i forget what it was gambia or some african state, anyway navy seals were sent in to evacuate the embassy, the americans bribed the warlord with over $3 million USD to let they staff get out safely.

The Avon Lady · 04-04-06, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

There was an incident in a war torn country i forget what it was gambia or some african state, anyway navy seals were sent in to evacuate the embassy, the americans bribed the warlord with over $3 million USD to let they staff get out safely.

Other than "money talks", what is your point?

Kapitan · 04-04-06, 08:51 AM

If america gets into a stiky spot all they do is wave thier cheque books under the oppositions nose and say how much.

Stops advers publicity.

Kapitan · 04-04-06, 08:52 AM

That move i descrived also threw "we dont negotiate with terrorists " right out of the window didnt it,

What do thier soldiers say "no one gets left behind" plenty left behind they could have bought back.

Oberon · 04-04-06, 10:03 AM

It's amazing what money buys...Iran has lots of money, and Russia doesn't...you can see the cash-flow diffuse from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration. All it needs are a couple of rich men to approach a couple of the scientists who worked on Skhval, or know the basics and offer them the right amount of money. It's not that difficult...all the scientists have to do is look over some ideas, correct some mistakes...

Et Viola
One Hout, probably developed with Russian assistance without the Russians even knowing they were assisting.

Alternatively, it was with full knowledge that they were assisting...and the plot thickens somewhat.

But, the main issue is, Sure the Iranians have a super-cavitating torpedo...but can they actually make it hit something? :hmm:

Konovalov · 04-04-06, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

But, the main issue is, Sure the Iranians have a super-cavitating torpedo...but can they actually make it hit something? :hmm:

Similar to the Iran has F14's debate from many years ago.

Oberon · 04-04-06, 10:16 AM

I reckon the best way for Iran to use their Skh...err...Hout...(Skhval sounds SO much better) so to fit it to a small 'torpedo boat' and use it medium to short range against merchant shipping.
Unless their imported Kilo's sonar suite is as good as what the Russkies have at the moment, it'd have to be a pretty dumb CVBG that allows one to get near it...and even if it did it'd be a definately one way trip.
Skhvals (ask anyone who's played a SC or DW match) are weapons for a knife fight, quick release...designed more to scare your opponent than to actually hit them (though if you do manage to hit them, they don't know WHAT hit them [Conn, sonar, torpedo in the BOOM!!]) If you're gonna fire a Skhval you need a damn good FCS because you can't (yet) change its course. It's like an old WW2 torpedo...just much, much, much faster.
And by the time you've got THAT close to an Allied fleet...you've got a Spearfish or Mk48 in your hull.

View Poll Results: How'd Iran get the Hout?
They bought Shkval's from Russia	14	56.00%
Russia helped Iran to develop the Hout	7	28.00%
It was an entirely independent Iranian project	1	4.00%
Someone else (not Russia) helped Iran develop the Hout	3	12.00%
Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll

04-04-06, 01:12 AM	#1
Bort Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Studying in Atlanta Posts: 919 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Iranian Rocket Torpedo I personally think that it was Iranian developed with Russian assistance, what do you think? BTW, don't know if anyone else saw it, but Jon Stewart did a pretty funny piece about the Hout on last nights Daily Show. I'll post a link if I find it! __________________ GT Aerospace

04-04-06, 01:27 AM	#2
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	The bought a lot off of the ukrain, who in turn bought them off russia. But the irans could have been assisted to build thier own seeing as they dont want to have to keep placing orders. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-04-06, 04:59 AM	#4
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Avon get an unbias source please, russia and ukraine will deny it, american's wont so get something in between. Butiful source to prove bias there. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-04-06, 06:09 AM	#6
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Do you honestly think a strong ally like ukrain and russia would ever tell the west they sold weapons to a rouge nation. I dont think so. Americans will go at anything to accuse anyone of anything ifthey can get thier own way and when it fails they pay you off. Two biggest liars in the world Russia and america. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-04-06, 06:50 AM	#8
SmokinTep Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 1,027 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I say they got them or help from Russia. Russia did say they were going to sell some of theirs.

04-04-06, 08:15 AM	#9
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	And they have the VAE-111 which is the export version. There was an incident in a war torn country i forget what it was gambia or some african state, anyway navy seals were sent in to evacuate the embassy, the americans bribed the warlord with over $3 million USD to let they staff get out safely. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-04-06, 08:51 AM	#11
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	If america gets into a stiky spot all they do is wave thier cheque books under the oppositions nose and say how much. Stops advers publicity. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-04-06, 08:52 AM	#12
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	That move i descrived also threw "we dont negotiate with terrorists " right out of the window didnt it, What do thier soldiers say "no one gets left behind" plenty left behind they could have bought back. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-04-06, 10:03 AM	#13
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It's amazing what money buys...Iran has lots of money, and Russia doesn't...you can see the cash-flow diffuse from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration. All it needs are a couple of rich men to approach a couple of the scientists who worked on Skhval, or know the basics and offer them the right amount of money. It's not that difficult...all the scientists have to do is look over some ideas, correct some mistakes... Et Viola One Hout, probably developed with Russian assistance without the Russians even knowing they were assisting. Alternatively, it was with full knowledge that they were assisting...and the plot thickens somewhat. But, the main issue is, Sure the Iranians have a super-cavitating torpedo...but can they actually make it hit something? :hmm:

04-04-06, 10:16 AM	#15
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I reckon the best way for Iran to use their Skh...err...Hout...(Skhval sounds SO much better) so to fit it to a small 'torpedo boat' and use it medium to short range against merchant shipping. Unless their imported Kilo's sonar suite is as good as what the Russkies have at the moment, it'd have to be a pretty dumb CVBG that allows one to get near it...and even if it did it'd be a definately one way trip. Skhvals (ask anyone who's played a SC or DW match) are weapons for a knife fight, quick release...designed more to scare your opponent than to actually hit them (though if you do manage to hit them, they don't know WHAT hit them [Conn, sonar, torpedo in the BOOM!!]) If you're gonna fire a Skhval you need a damn good FCS because you can't (yet) change its course. It's like an old WW2 torpedo...just much, much, much faster. And by the time you've got THAT close to an Allied fleet...you've got a Spearfish or Mk48 in your hull.