Air dropped torps and Shallow waters

GunnersMate · 03-06-06, 02:28 PM

Air dropped torpedos sink in the mud if the water depth is 80 ft or so.

Is this a bug or a feature?

:hmm: My leanings are to bug because real life dropped torpedos use chutes.

Also WW2 air dropped torpedos did not do this (at least not 100% of the time)

goldorak · 03-06-06, 02:39 PM

You have to use lightweight torpedos and launch them at low altitude.

GunnersMate · 03-06-06, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

You have to use lightweight torpedos and launch them at low altitude.

lightweight - as opposed to Mk38? and is 50 ft low enough?

goldorak · 03-06-06, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnersMate

lightweight - as opposed to Mk38? and is 50 ft low enough?

50 ft is surely low enough, on the p-3 you can carry only mk-46 and mk-50.
Maybe you are not setting the "depth" variable accordingly prior to launch.?

GunnersMate · 03-06-06, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

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Originally Posted by GunnersMate

lightweight - as opposed to Mk38? and is 50 ft low enough?

Maybe you are not setting the "depth" variable accordingly prior to launch.?

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 03-06-06, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnersMate

Air dropped torpedos sink in the mud if the water depth is 80 ft or so.

Is this a bug or a feature?

:hmm: My leanings are to bug because real life dropped torpedos use chutes.

Also WW2 air dropped torpedos did not do this (at least not 100% of the time)

Feature. They use chutes, but that means they enter the water vertically - AFAIK a WWII torp is hits the water more or less on its belly, so the pre-stabilization dip may well be less.

Kapitan · 03-06-06, 03:03 PM

The Jap's launched torps in pearl harbour and its what not far over 40 feet deep.

TLAM Strike · 03-06-06, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnersMate

Also WW2 air dropped torpedos did not do this (at least not 100% of the time)

Some Russian ones did. One used three so I could be droped from High Alt.

PeriscopeDepth · 03-06-06, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitain

The Jap's launched torps in pearl harbour and its what not far over 40 feet deep.

IIRC they made their torps able to be used in very shallow water specifically for Pearl Harbor.

OneShot · 03-06-06, 03:52 PM

Check the CADC for that ... I posted way back how to drop them in low waters. Nevertheless even with chutes and all you are dropping something that is pretty heavy compared to a human for example at speed so a bit depth would be nice ... I think as it is it's ok.

GunnersMate · 03-06-06, 05:15 PM

So basically a sub can stay in waters less than 80 ft and laught at any Seahawks or Orions? Is this limitation there for AI ?

Kapitan · 03-06-06, 05:26 PM

you can use shallow water to your advantage in a game i recently played i was in deep water and managed to run into shallow water it got so shallow i surfaced.

Torpedo hit the mud as it couldnt get up the under sea mounds to get me.

NastyHyena · 03-06-06, 06:21 PM

Shallow water plays hell on air-dropped ANYTHING. Although, in the P3 you can compensate by flying low (as mentioned) and fast. 50', throttles to the firewall, which causes the torpedo to have a flatter trajectory when it splashes.

For helo's...er..hover with your belly in the water? :hmm:

GunnersMate · 03-06-06, 07:10 PM

I just made a mission where ownship was a kilo in shallow water <25m. Had a P-3, MH-60, SH-60B and SH-60F running searches in 10 mile box with me in center. I surfaced and watched on truth. All at once they turned towards, got within torpedo range and dropped all their torpedos into the mud!

I let buzz me and then I blazed them all out of they sky with trusy SA-14! :rotfl:

BigBadVuk · 03-07-06, 07:27 AM

Oh boy i have some debts to collect among them(especialy P-3) so...can u upload that mission

03-06-06, 02:28 PM	#1
GunnersMate Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USS Sea Tiger Posts: 251 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Air dropped torps and Shallow waters Air dropped torpedos sink in the mud if the water depth is 80 ft or so. Is this a bug or a feature? :hmm: My leanings are to bug because real life dropped torpedos use chutes. Also WW2 air dropped torpedos did not do this (at least not 100% of the time) __________________ \"Sir they just fired an Exocet at us!\" \"Very well, Bosn pipe Sweepers\" I\'m having trouble with the radar, sir. What\'s wrong with it? I\'ve lost the bleeps, I\'ve lost the sweeps, and I\'ve lost the creeps.

03-06-06, 03:03 PM	#7
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	The Jap's launched torps in pearl harbour and its what not far over 40 feet deep. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

03-06-06, 03:52 PM	#10
OneShot Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 956 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Check the CADC for that ... I posted way back how to drop them in low waters. Nevertheless even with chutes and all you are dropping something that is pretty heavy compared to a human for example at speed so a bit depth would be nice ... I think as it is it's ok. __________________ All the things you always wanted to know about Dangerous Waters but never dared to ask!

03-06-06, 05:15 PM	#11
GunnersMate Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USS Sea Tiger Posts: 251 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	So basically a sub can stay in waters less than 80 ft and laught at any Seahawks or Orions? Is this limitation there for AI ? __________________ \"Sir they just fired an Exocet at us!\" \"Very well, Bosn pipe Sweepers\" I\'m having trouble with the radar, sir. What\'s wrong with it? I\'ve lost the bleeps, I\'ve lost the sweeps, and I\'ve lost the creeps.

03-06-06, 05:26 PM	#12
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	you can use shallow water to your advantage in a game i recently played i was in deep water and managed to run into shallow water it got so shallow i surfaced. Torpedo hit the mud as it couldnt get up the under sea mounds to get me. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

03-06-06, 02:39 PM	#2
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You have to use lightweight torpedos and launch them at low altitude.

03-06-06, 06:21 PM	#13
NastyHyena Watch Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 22 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Shallow water plays hell on air-dropped ANYTHING. Although, in the P3 you can compensate by flying low (as mentioned) and fast. 50', throttles to the firewall, which causes the torpedo to have a flatter trajectory when it splashes. For helo's...er..hover with your belly in the water? :hmm:

03-06-06, 07:10 PM	#14
GunnersMate Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USS Sea Tiger Posts: 251 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I just made a mission where ownship was a kilo in shallow water <25m. Had a P-3, MH-60, SH-60B and SH-60F running searches in 10 mile box with me in center. I surfaced and watched on truth. All at once they turned towards, got within torpedo range and dropped all their torpedos into the mud! I let buzz me and then I blazed them all out of they sky with trusy SA-14! :rotfl: __________________ \"Sir they just fired an Exocet at us!\" \"Very well, Bosn pipe Sweepers\" I\'m having trouble with the radar, sir. What\'s wrong with it? I\'ve lost the bleeps, I\'ve lost the sweeps, and I\'ve lost the creeps.

03-07-06, 07:27 AM	#15
BigBadVuk Ensign Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belgrade,Serbia Posts: 222 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Oh boy i have some debts to collect among them(especialy P-3) so...can u upload that mission __________________ Any ship can submerge.. Only submarine can surface!