Report on USS Greeneville - Ehime Maru collision

Bill Nichols · 10-20-05, 10:11 AM

The NTSB has released its report on the USS Greeneville - Ehime Maru collision. I strongly recommend reading it, as it gives an excellent description of what goes on aboard a US nuclear sub while underway.

Link here:

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2005/MAB0501.htm

Kapitan · 10-20-05, 11:30 AM

a good read long but good

Molon Labe · 10-20-05, 07:47 PM

Required reading for the aTMA programmers at SCS!

No good solution going in a straight line!
No good solution on too little data per leg!

Just think how many people would still be alive if they had our autocrew....

Bellman · 10-21-05, 02:13 AM

Thanks Bill - have just dld the pdf.

Read the 'unofficial repot' extracts back in August abd it will be very interesting to see the 'final'.

FERdeBOER · 10-21-05, 06:11 AM

Great, Bill, very interesting.

TopTorp '92 · 10-25-05, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Nichols

The NTSB has released its report on the USS Greeneville - Ehime Maru collision. I strongly recommend reading it, as it gives an excellent description of what goes on aboard a US nuclear sub while underway.

Link here:

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2005/MAB0501.htm

Great link Bill. Very informative.

N00be · 10-25-05, 08:34 PM

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15 As is typical of all submarines, interference from noises generated by the Greeneville itself prevented the sonar system from reliably detecting sonar signals between approximately 120Â° and 240Â° relative to the vessel's bow. This arc astern of the vessel is known as the "baffles" area, and a submarine has to periodically alter course to uncover this null area, or "clear the baffles," for the sonar system.

Is this simulated in DW as well? Or is the baffle area the black area on the broadband?

Skorn · 10-25-05, 11:46 PM

Good read, lots of information in there. Don't remember that happening over 4 years ago. Man, time flies...

LuftWolf · 10-25-05, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Is this simulated in DW as well? Or is the baffle area the black area on the broadband?

The baffled area is the black part on the sonar display.

N00be · 10-27-05, 07:37 AM

But I dont understand. The black area is so small. The baffles are supposed to be 120 degree wide.
As far as I understand it, there is the black area, thats directly behind your sub (sonar blocked) and there are the baffles between 120 and 240 where signals are not blocked, but interfere with your own subs noises, therefore are not reliable or not shown at all). But Im prolly wrong here, or?

LuftWolf · 10-27-05, 07:44 AM

The way baffles are modelled in DW is not at all realistic.

The baffles are WAY too small.

Incidentially, this is corrected in the next version of the LWAMI Mod, 2.02, which will be released today or tomorrow morning.

Bellman · 10-27-05, 09:13 AM

Amen.

N00be · 11-01-05, 09:58 PM

In the report they talk about the bearing rate as an indicator whether its a closing or opening contact.

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He said that, as sonar supervisor, he looked for "something with a very high bearing rate, something that may be on our left side drawing right, or right side drawing left," which could represent a "closing" situation (meaning the target is heading toward the submarine). He said that when sonar first gained S-12 and S-13 (the Ehime Maru), "they did not have much of a bearing rate."

Where do I get that info in DW when I have a tracker assigned to a contact?

LuftWolf · 11-01-05, 10:02 PM

Once you have a solution in TMA, it is listed in the contact information window on the Nav Map.

N00be · 11-01-05, 10:16 PM

First, thanx for the quick reply.

I was looking for a bearing rate before TMA has been done, cause after all thats (bearing) all I have for the first 2 minutes, and even after that I prolly wont do a TMA with just 2 or 3 bearing rates, so a bearingrate indicator without having to have a solution would be really cool. But I guess there is none...?

10-20-05, 10:11 AM	#1
Bill Nichols Master of Defense Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,502 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	Report on USS Greeneville - Ehime Maru collision The NTSB has released its report on the USS Greeneville - Ehime Maru collision. I strongly recommend reading it, as it gives an excellent description of what goes on aboard a US nuclear sub while underway. Link here: http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2005/MAB0501.htm __________________ My Dangerous Waters website:

10-20-05, 11:30 AM	#2
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	a good read long but good __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

10-21-05, 02:13 AM	#4
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Thanks Bill - have just dld the pdf. Read the 'unofficial repot' extracts back in August abd it will be very interesting to see the 'final'. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

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FERdeBOER XO Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 431 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 1	Great, Bill, very interesting. __________________ Hay dos tipos de buques: los submarinos... y los blancos. There are two types of ships: the subs... and the targets.

10-25-05, 11:46 PM	#8
Skorn Bosun Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 64 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Good read, lots of information in there. Don't remember that happening over 4 years ago. Man, time flies... __________________ Admiral Skorn (Ret.) Seawolves Virtual Military Command http://www.seawolves.org skorn17@hotmail.com ICQ 92296172 Every ship can be a minesweeper...once.

10-20-05, 07:47 PM	#3
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	Required reading for the aTMA programmers at SCS! No good solution going in a straight line! No good solution on too little data per leg! Just think how many people would still be alive if they had our autocrew....

10-27-05, 07:37 AM	#10
N00be Seaman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 33 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	But I dont understand. The black area is so small. The baffles are supposed to be 120 degree wide. As far as I understand it, there is the black area, thats directly behind your sub (sonar blocked) and there are the baffles between 120 and 240 where signals are not blocked, but interfere with your own subs noises, therefore are not reliable or not shown at all). But Im prolly wrong here, or?

10-27-05, 07:44 AM	#11
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	The way baffles are modelled in DW is not at all realistic. The baffles are WAY too small. Incidentially, this is corrected in the next version of the LWAMI Mod, 2.02, which will be released today or tomorrow morning. __________________ LW

10-27-05, 09:13 AM	#12
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Amen. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

11-01-05, 10:02 PM	#14
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Once you have a solution in TMA, it is listed in the contact information window on the Nav Map. __________________ LW

11-01-05, 10:16 PM	#15
N00be Seaman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 33 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	First, thanx for the quick reply. I was looking for a bearing rate before TMA has been done, cause after all thats (bearing) all I have for the first 2 minutes, and even after that I prolly wont do a TMA with just 2 or 3 bearing rates, so a bearingrate indicator without having to have a solution would be really cool. But I guess there is none...?