Mods do not work with Multi Install

Pellaeon · 11-27-23, 08:04 PM

Hi guys,

sorry for my stupid question, but it is 2am in the night and I have no ideas any more.

I want to install two mods:

1. Fall of the rising sun
2. german speech mod fot the U-Boat campaing.

All mods work with ONE install. But as you know...it is not possible to play with these two mods in ONE installation. Maybe it is, but on a american submarine with german speech? No way.

So I copied my clean and new basic install of SH4 two times
These are now my folders:

"Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition"
"Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs"
"Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - german"

I delete the write protecion of all files and folders.
I copied the JSGME in the folder, started it and copied the mods into the mod folder. JSGME found all mods and is able to "install" it.

If I start the SH4.exe, the game starts but erverytime without any mods!
What I am doing wrong?

Thank you very much for your hints!

propbeanie · 11-28-23, 07:32 AM

Copying the game the way you did should work fine, but what folder are the various "Silent Hunter 4..." folders inside of? Did you make a "Games" folder and do what you did, or are you inside of the install default of C:\Program Files (x86)... folder?

Also, each of the modded games, as well as the stock game want to use a Save folder of "C:\Users \UserName \Documents \SH4, which causes trouble, since most of the game runs off of that Save folder data. That data between Stock and FotRSU can be quite substantial, and cause trouble for both versions of the game. You need to delete that Save folder game, then use the MultiSH4v1.5 applet in the FotRSU modded game's root folder, and create a new 3-character name for the FotRSU game, such as "FRS", or whatever you like. Then copy MultiSH4 to the "german" folder, and do the same, naming the new Save folder something like "Ger" or something. Leave the SH4 folder for the stock game then. Next time you start the game, it will create the appropriate data structure in each of those separate Save folders, and you should no longer have a corruption issue.

Next up is: did you use either the 4Gig Patch, or the Large Address Aware applet to set the FotRSU's SH4.exe header bits that show the game can do flat addressing? Look in the FotRSU mod's Support folder for the pdf "help" files in there for these and many more questions you might have.

Pellaeon · 11-28-23, 08:24 AM

First of all, thank you very much for your help.

I thought I´ve read all the pdf stuff in the support folder.

My basic SH4 install folder is:
"E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games"

inside this games-folder there is the normal "Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition" installation. So it looks like this:
E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition

I copied the "Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition" folder two times, each for an mod.
So inside the "games" folder it looks like this now:
"E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition"
"E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs"
"E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - german"

Each SH4 mod folder has one mod with the jsgme file and, of course, I run the Large Address Aware applet.

Up to now: every thing is correct and should work?

Regarding the multish4v1.5: I used it but nothing has changed. I guess I understood something wrong.
I deleted the SaveGames folder in:
C:\Users\user name\Documents\SH4\data\cfg\SaveGames
run the MultiSH4v1.5, entered "FRS"
start the game (again no mod was started)
started a short game, saved it, quite the game and?
Nothing. The saved game was in:
C:\Users\user name\Documents\SH4\data\cfg\SaveGames
No "FRS"-folder, nothing.

I guess I missunderstood something terribly wrong.

propbeanie · 11-28-23, 02:25 PM

MultiSH4 can be in any folder you desire, but it will default to where it is the first time it runs, and then the last folder used in after that. Once you start MultiSH4, just use its dialog to navigate to the folder that contains the SH4 folder that you want to alter. You do have to make certain that the FileManager.dll file in that folder is not write-protected, just like the SH4.exe file has to be set. Right-click on the files, select "Properties" at the bottom of the drop-down context menu, and on the first page of that dialog is the "Attributes" section near the bottom. Make certain the "Read-only" tick box is clear. If it is already, no worries. Otherwise clear it, and OK your way out. Then run either the MultiSH4 or LAA applets on the respective files. You just have to be in the proper folder with both applets' dialogs.

Pellaeon · 11-28-23, 06:14 PM

I am very sorry, but it did not work.

The MultiSH4v1.5 is not the biggest problem. Imo I did exactly what you descirbed. No file is write protected, I deleted the savegame folder and start MultiSH4v1.5 and it gives me the correct name ("FRS"). But it didn´t create that folder.

Nevertheless, every change will not be "activated". And this is what I does not understand. I activated the mod with the JSGME, and it shows me the changed or new files (snapshot). But it simply did not work. I can start sh4.exe but no mod...simply the normal game....

KaleunMarco · 11-28-23, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pellaeon

I am very sorry, but it did not work.

The MultiSH4v1.5 is not the biggest problem. Imo I did exactly what you descirbed. No file is write protected, I deleted the savegame folder and start MultiSH4v1.5 and it gives me the correct name ("FRS"). But it didn´t create that folder.

Nevertheless, every change will not be "activated". And this is what I does not understand. I activated the mod with the JSGME, and it shows me the changed or new files (snapshot). But it simply did not work. I can start sh4.exe but no mod...simply the normal game....

jumping in here....
Pellaeon...
can you post your JSGME config?
launch JSGME, then Tasks-Export to Clipboard. then paste it here (ctrl+v).

thanks.

Pellaeon · 11-29-23, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

jumping in here....
Pellaeon...
can you post your JSGME config?
launch JSGME, then Tasks-Export to Clipboard. then paste it here (ctrl+v).

thanks.

Everthing you say:

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
---start----
[E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs\MODS]

100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8
FI-OQ_FotRSU_v1.8f_upcPatch
---end---

There is nothing wrong to me.

KaleunMarco · 11-29-23, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pellaeon

Everthing you say:

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
---start----
[E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs\MODS]

100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8
FI-OQ_FotRSU_v1.8f_upcPatch
---end---

There is nothing wrong to me.

i concur.
i asked for the config because there are a lot of subtle things with SH4 and sometimes taking a step back and looking at the config helps.

Pellaeon · 11-29-23, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

i concur.
i asked for the config because there are a lot of subtle things with SH4 and sometimes taking a step back and looking at the config helps.

Without any question.
But something has to be wrong, but I have no clue anymore.

razark · 11-29-23, 01:21 PM

Can you post what is under the "E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs\MODS\100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8" directory? As in what subfolders or files are located there?

Also, how are you starting the game?

propbeanie · 11-30-23, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pellaeon

Everthing you say:

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
---start----
[E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs\MODS]

100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8
FI-OQ_FotRSU_v1.8f_upcPatch
---end---

There is nothing wrong to me.

De-activate the "Orange" mod. That is only used if you have vickers03's stellar "Fleetboat Interiors - Officer's Quarters" mod activated on top of FotRSU. You want to use the "101_FotRSUv18_FixPak" instead. However, that is not what is keeping the game from running, nor the Save folder from changing. I am not a trusting person, and I do not trust Ubisoft and its UConnect and Game Launcher to play nice and not "kill" a modded game with MS-style 'security'. What I would do is create another folder, such as "E:\Games", then select your current "Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs" folder, and then use <Ctrl><X> to "cut" it. Navigate into your new Games folder, and <Ctrl><V> to "paste" the folder into the new Games folder. Have MultiSH4, JSGME and LAA (or 4Gig Patch) in that new FotRSU folder. Again, make certain that the SH4.exe and FileManager.dll in your new FotRSU folder are write-enabled, then run LAA with the "E:\Games \Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs \SH4.exe" as your 'target', and set that file. Then run MultiSH4 while inside that folder, and set the FileManager to a new 3-character name (such as FRS). Be sure your SH4.exe Compatibility settings are good to go, and try it again. One thing to bear in mind here with MultiSH4, is that depending upon your computer, your new Save folder might not show in your default Documents folder, since you are on the E: drive with the game folder. MultiSH4, like so many other older DirectX v9 apps, is not fully compliant with the 'modern' Windows OS. Your Save folder might be in the root of the E: drive. The Ubisoft "plain" SH4 Save folder will be in your regular Documents folder as SH4.

Pellaeon · 11-30-23, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razark

Can you post what is under the "E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs\MODS\100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8" directory? As in what subfolders or files are located there?

Also, how are you starting the game?

under the Path:
"...Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - fotrs\MODS\100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8"

are following folders:
Data
Extras
MODS
Support
and several files:
01_FotRSU_Support_TOC.bat
02_SetAttribs.bat
Large Adress Awware.exe
MultiSH4 1.5.exe
SH4_Q-Ref_Card_Back.jpg
SH4_Q-Ref_Card_Front.jpg

I do start the game as administrator sh4.exe. UbiConnect will be started automatically.

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

deactrivate & cut folder

I deactivated the patch.
I moved the folder to:
E:\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs
Made all things again as you described:

start JGSME and deactivate the patch

write enable all files

start LAA again

start MutliSH4_1.5

same result again. No mod is activated.

propbeanie · 11-30-23, 08:11 AM

If you are using the UConnect game launcher to start SH4, it will not start your copied versions of the game. It is best to navigate into the game folder where you want SH4 to run from, and double-click on the SH4.exe file there. This is also the file that you alter the "Compatibility" settings on the the display. You can create a short-cut for the SH4.exe on your desktop, if you want. I ~think~ you can add a Start to the UConnect launcher, but I do not remember 100% on that. What I do remember is that UConnect will at times attempt to "clean" your game folder if it is linked there, the way Steam does its "Verify Game Files" function, which will of course, trash everything you've done to the files yourself... It is definitely "safer" to start the game directly from the respective SH4.exe file, or a Windows short-cut that points directly to it.

JSGME can be "installed" in any folder you desire, and you then use the app's dialog to direct it to the correct path. However, it has such a small footprint, it is advisable to have it in each of the separate game folders you intend to mod. Starting it from inside the game folder should get you a correct path. If you have already used JSGME in the original Ubisoft folder, it is advisable to delete the JSGME.ini file in the game folder, as well as the one in the MODS folder, along with the hidden "!BACKUP" and "!INSTLOGS" folders in the MODS folder, so that your install and MOD list are built "fresh"... Not an absolute necessity though. It will over-write the data in the new folder, but those are where the "path" and activated mods info is kept. JSGME will usually globally "remember" the last folder it was used in.

LAA is similar for its location, and will also globally "remember" where you last used it, so you definitely have to be certain you navigate to the proper folder in its dialog. Again, small file, and easier to just have it in each game folder. The big thing with LAA is that you do NOT get an obvious error message when it fails. You can change its "Mode" of operation, which makes things easier in that regard. If LAA fails to apply, it is usually do to the 'target' not being write-enabled. If you run LAA a 2nd time and add your 'target' file, you should see either a tick mark in the box in the Basic mode, or "True" in the appropriate column when in Intermediate or Advanced mode.

MultiSH4 demands that it be in the proper folder, so you definitely need a separate copy in each of the modded game folders you want a new Save folder for. If it "fails" to create a new Save folder, you will get an error message. The "fail" is almost always a write-protected "\Game \FileManager.dll" file. Remember that the new Save folder might not be in the User Document folder, but might be in the 'root' of your game folder drive. That is computer and OS dependent.

btw, it is advisable to not have the game folder set directly in a drive's "root", but rather inside another folder, such as "E:\Games \Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs..." That is for "just-in-case" scenarios, which really shouldn't happen on a 'modern' computer & OS - but you never know. You could make Games whatever you want to, so long as it complies with Windows naming conventions. This is also usually not an absolute necessity, but remember it for the next time. Also, for simplicity, I would go with a shorter name for the game folder. Examples might be "SH4_FotRSU" or "FotRSU" or whatever.

Pellaeon · 12-01-23, 06:57 PM

Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate it!

I always start the game with the SH4.exe. Even with the copied once.
But everytime I start the sh4.exe and UbiConnect ist NOT started, first UbiConnect will be started automatically and than SH4!

I tested it with the original SH4 folder. I modded this folder and everything works fine, every mod I installed will be loaded.

That means, even when I try to start SH4.exe from a copied folder, UbiConnect will be startet automatically and from there UbiConnect "redirected" my command to the original folder where UbiConnect thinks Sh4 is and start the SH4 from there.

I hope I was able to express myself clearly.

So, now I will try to find a way to start SH4 without UbiConnect.
Do you know this behavior?

Aktungbby · 12-02-23, 12:10 AM

Pallaeon!

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11-27-23, 08:04 PM	#1
Pellaeon Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 9 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Mods do not work with Multi Install Hi guys, sorry for my stupid question, but it is 2am in the night and I have no ideas any more. I want to install two mods: 1. Fall of the rising sun 2. german speech mod fot the U-Boat campaing. All mods work with ONE install. But as you know...it is not possible to play with these two mods in ONE installation. Maybe it is, but on a american submarine with german speech? No way. So I copied my clean and new basic install of SH4 two times These are now my folders: "Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition" "Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs" "Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - german" I delete the write protecion of all files and folders. I copied the JSGME in the folder, started it and copied the mods into the mod folder. JSGME found all mods and is able to "install" it. If I start the SH4.exe, the game starts but erverytime without any mods! What I am doing wrong? Thank you very much for your hints!

11-28-23, 07:32 AM	#2
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Copying the game the way you did should work fine, but what folder are the various "Silent Hunter 4..." folders inside of? Did you make a "Games" folder and do what you did, or are you inside of the install default of C:\Program Files (x86)... folder? Also, each of the modded games, as well as the stock game want to use a Save folder of "C:\Users \UserName \Documents \SH4, which causes trouble, since most of the game runs off of that Save folder data. That data between Stock and FotRSU can be quite substantial, and cause trouble for both versions of the game. You need to delete that Save folder game, then use the MultiSH4v1.5 applet in the FotRSU modded game's root folder, and create a new 3-character name for the FotRSU game, such as "FRS", or whatever you like. Then copy MultiSH4 to the "german" folder, and do the same, naming the new Save folder something like "Ger" or something. Leave the SH4 folder for the stock game then. Next time you start the game, it will create the appropriate data structure in each of those separate Save folders, and you should no longer have a corruption issue. Next up is: did you use either the 4Gig Patch, or the Large Address Aware applet to set the FotRSU's SH4.exe header bits that show the game can do flat addressing? Look in the FotRSU mod's Support folder for the pdf "help" files in there for these and many more questions you might have. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

11-28-23, 08:24 AM	#3
Pellaeon Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 9 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	First of all, thank you very much for your help. I thought I´ve read all the pdf stuff in the support folder. My basic SH4 install folder is: "E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games" inside this games-folder there is the normal "Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition" installation. So it looks like this: E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition I copied the "Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition" folder two times, each for an mod. So inside the "games" folder it looks like this now: "E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition" "E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs" "E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - german" Each SH4 mod folder has one mod with the jsgme file and, of course, I run the Large Address Aware applet. Up to now: every thing is correct and should work? Regarding the multish4v1.5: I used it but nothing has changed. I guess I understood something wrong. I deleted the SaveGames folder in: C:\Users\user name\Documents\SH4\data\cfg\SaveGames run the MultiSH4v1.5, entered "FRS" start the game (again no mod was started) started a short game, saved it, quite the game and? Nothing. The saved game was in: C:\Users\user name\Documents\SH4\data\cfg\SaveGames No "FRS"-folder, nothing. I guess I missunderstood something terribly wrong. Last edited by Pellaeon; 11-28-23 at 09:08 AM.

11-28-23, 02:25 PM	#4
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	MultiSH4 can be in any folder you desire, but it will default to where it is the first time it runs, and then the last folder used in after that. Once you start MultiSH4, just use its dialog to navigate to the folder that contains the SH4 folder that you want to alter. You do have to make certain that the FileManager.dll file in that folder is not write-protected, just like the SH4.exe file has to be set. Right-click on the files, select "Properties" at the bottom of the drop-down context menu, and on the first page of that dialog is the "Attributes" section near the bottom. Make certain the "Read-only" tick box is clear. If it is already, no worries. Otherwise clear it, and OK your way out. Then run either the MultiSH4 or LAA applets on the respective files. You just have to be in the proper folder with both applets' dialogs. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

11-29-23, 01:21 PM	#10
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,731 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	Can you post what is under the "E:\Ubisoft Game Launcher\games\Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs\MODS\100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8" directory? As in what subfolders or files are located there? Also, how are you starting the game? __________________ "Never ask a World War II history buff for a 'final solution' to your problem!"

11-28-23, 06:14 PM	#5
Pellaeon Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 9 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I am very sorry, but it did not work. The MultiSH4v1.5 is not the biggest problem. Imo I did exactly what you descirbed. No file is write protected, I deleted the savegame folder and start MultiSH4v1.5 and it gives me the correct name ("FRS"). But it didn´t create that folder. Nevertheless, every change will not be "activated". And this is what I does not understand. I activated the mod with the JSGME, and it shows me the changed or new files (snapshot). But it simply did not work. I can start sh4.exe but no mod...simply the normal game....

11-30-23, 08:11 AM	#13
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	If you are using the UConnect game launcher to start SH4, it will not start your copied versions of the game. It is best to navigate into the game folder where you want SH4 to run from, and double-click on the SH4.exe file there. This is also the file that you alter the "Compatibility" settings on the the display. You can create a short-cut for the SH4.exe on your desktop, if you want. I ~think~ you can add a Start to the UConnect launcher, but I do not remember 100% on that. What I do remember is that UConnect will at times attempt to "clean" your game folder if it is linked there, the way Steam does its "Verify Game Files" function, which will of course, trash everything you've done to the files yourself... It is definitely "safer" to start the game directly from the respective SH4.exe file, or a Windows short-cut that points directly to it. JSGME can be "installed" in any folder you desire, and you then use the app's dialog to direct it to the correct path. However, it has such a small footprint, it is advisable to have it in each of the separate game folders you intend to mod. Starting it from inside the game folder should get you a correct path. If you have already used JSGME in the original Ubisoft folder, it is advisable to delete the JSGME.ini file in the game folder, as well as the one in the MODS folder, along with the hidden "!BACKUP" and "!INSTLOGS" folders in the MODS folder, so that your install and MOD list are built "fresh"... Not an absolute necessity though. It will over-write the data in the new folder, but those are where the "path" and activated mods info is kept. JSGME will usually globally "remember" the last folder it was used in. LAA is similar for its location, and will also globally "remember" where you last used it, so you definitely have to be certain you navigate to the proper folder in its dialog. Again, small file, and easier to just have it in each game folder. The big thing with LAA is that you do NOT get an obvious error message when it fails. You can change its "Mode" of operation, which makes things easier in that regard. If LAA fails to apply, it is usually do to the 'target' not being write-enabled. If you run LAA a 2nd time and add your 'target' file, you should see either a tick mark in the box in the Basic mode, or "True" in the appropriate column when in Intermediate or Advanced mode. MultiSH4 demands that it be in the proper folder, so you definitely need a separate copy in each of the modded game folders you want a new Save folder for. If it "fails" to create a new Save folder, you will get an error message. The "fail" is almost always a write-protected "\Game \FileManager.dll" file. Remember that the new Save folder might not be in the User Document folder, but might be in the 'root' of your game folder drive. That is computer and OS dependent. btw, it is advisable to not have the game folder set directly in a drive's "root", but rather inside another folder, such as "E:\Games \Silent Hunter 4 Gold Edition - tfotrs..." That is for "just-in-case" scenarios, which really shouldn't happen on a 'modern' computer & OS - but you never know. You could make Games whatever you want to, so long as it complies with Windows naming conventions. This is also usually not an absolute necessity, but remember it for the next time. Also, for simplicity, I would go with a shorter name for the game folder. Examples might be "SH4_FotRSU" or "FotRSU" or whatever. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

12-01-23, 06:57 PM	#14
Pellaeon Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 9 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate it! I always start the game with the SH4.exe. Even with the copied once. But everytime I start the sh4.exe and UbiConnect ist NOT started, first UbiConnect will be started automatically and than SH4! I tested it with the original SH4 folder. I modded this folder and everything works fine, every mod I installed will be loaded. That means, even when I try to start SH4.exe from a copied folder, UbiConnect will be startet automatically and from there UbiConnect "redirected" my command to the original folder where UbiConnect thinks Sh4 is and start the SH4 from there. I hope I was able to express myself clearly. So, now I will try to find a way to start SH4 without UbiConnect. Do you know this behavior?

12-02-23, 12:10 AM	#15
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 29,989 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! Pallaeon!...finally surfaced after a long 'silent run' since 2010! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!