Is there a fix for gun range resetting

1Patriotofmany · 08-10-23, 11:23 AM

When you are looking at a target ship from the uzo, you find the range, then go down to the main gun, dial in the range adjust for your movment and the other ships making progressively different range shots. If it's a destroyer or other fast maneuvering or distant ship you eventually lose the range usually and have to go back to the uzo to establish the correct range. When you go back down to the main gun, the range has reset itself and it takes you that much longer to readjust to get back on target! That few seconds could be the difference between being hit hard/fatally and getting a couple more shots off.

Is there any way to keep the gun range where it last was when you leave to check the uzo range again?

KaleunMarco · 08-10-23, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Patriotofmany

When you are looking at a target ship from the uzo, you find the range, then go down to the main gun, dial in the range adjust for your movment and the other ships making progressively different range shots. If it's a destroyer or other fast maneuvering or distant ship you eventually lose the range usually and have to go back to the uzo to establish the correct range. When you go back down to the main gun, the range has reset itself and it takes you that much longer to readjust to get back on target! That few seconds could be the difference between being hit hard/fatally and getting a couple more shots off.

Is there any way to keep the gun range where it last was when you leave to check the uzo range again?

none that i am aware of.
in fact, there are times when the default range on the deck gun changes during the mission.
i have the same issue with it as you do.
to combat the deficiency, i always compensate with less range based on speed. it is not hard to set up a table of yds per second at speed. you might even be able to use the speed-distance-bearing template on the nav map, depending on which modder built it. i keep my own settings and most of them are committed to memory.
30 kts is roughly 17 yds/sec. 30 secs @ 30 kts is 30 times 17 yds or 510 yds.
15 kts is half of that distance.

so, take your uzo distance, head over to the deck gun train over to the proper bearing, run up the elevation and take appropriate number of yds from the uzo distance. open fire.

keep mind that you CAN change bearing and elevation at the same time.
i have also modified the elevation speed such that it takes a few less seconds to get to 10 or 12 k.

good luck.

razark · 08-10-23, 10:57 PM

Code:

1. Get initial range on the target.
2. Set the gun.
3. Fire the gun.
4. Observe impact.
5. If impact is behind target, decrease range.  Goto 3.
6. If impact is in front of target, increase range.  Goto 3.
7. Goto 3.

I base my deck gun shooting completely on the fall of the shell, aside from an approximate range at the beginning.
If I have to resort to the deck gun, I'm usually either very close in, or the situation is desperate enough that I don't have time to check for an accurate range.

I don't have to deal with the resetting issue, either, because once I switch to it, I'm on the gun until the target is gone.

1Patriotofmany · 08-11-23, 02:36 PM

What about programming someone at the uzo to give range to nearest warship or closest target, like sonar does? I play dark waters so sonar only works when submerged.

KaleunMarco · 08-11-23, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Patriotofmany

What about programming someone at the uzo to give range to nearest warship or closest target, like sonar does? I play dark waters so sonar only works when submerged.

that's a great idea.
to do that there has to be a command already in the Commands.cfg file, built by Ubi, that does something like: Send_target_range_to_deckgun.
unfortunately, there is no command like that and i am unaware of a user-capability to create/program additional commands.

a while back a modder was playing with the radar unit and trying to get it to slave to the deck gun (or vice versa) to do essentially the same thing as you suggested. since there is no mod of which i am aware, i must conclude that the modder either:

1. gave up
b. confirmed that it could not be accomplished
d. some other result of which i am not aware that caused him to stop

there is only one command that involves the Uzo and that takes the player to the Uzo unit. that's it.

do not feel bad about this. many great ideas lie fallow because of Ubi's lack of competence.

1Patriotofmany · 08-11-23, 06:39 PM

Yeah I'm full of great ideas and no abilities

razark · 08-11-23, 06:41 PM

I don't recall if it was in unmodded SH4, but TMO does have a report range to nearest visual contact, so that is about the closest option that I know is possible. It does only report the closest target, even if that's not the one you want.

1Patriotofmany · 08-12-23, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by razark

I don't recall if it was in unmodded SH4, but TMO does have a report range to nearest visual contact, so that is about the closest option that I know is possible. It does only report the closest target, even if that's not the one you want.

Actually the most often times I need it is taking on destroyers and other escorts in the fog and dark night which are usually the closest, Thanks for bringing that up, I'll have to check the key chart and see if it's there and if it works in Dark Waters. EDIT: Bummer don't see a key or icon for it in Darkwaters

propbeanie · 08-14-23, 08:50 AM

The report range thingie might just be a "close", "medium" and "long" range report, I do not remember. There is also a "Target nearest warship" for the deck officer. There should be menu buttons in OM / DW for both, but my memory cannot say for certain. Have your crew man the deck gun, and "Target nearest warship", once they shoot a shot, then try manning the gun yourself, and see if it's not partially aimed at the attacker then... I do not recall game behavior with that either... I think I need to plug my batts into the wall charger and get a 110v AC hit... wake things up maybe.

KaleunMarco · 08-14-23, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

The report range thingie might just be a "close", "medium" and "long" range report, I do not remember. There is also a "Target nearest warship" for the deck officer. There should be menu buttons in OM / DW for both, but my memory cannot say for certain. Have your crew man the deck gun, and "Target nearest warship", once they shoot a shot, then try manning the gun yourself, and see if it's not partially aimed at the attacker then.

what you say is true....that is one tool to use.

there is also the command: Report_nearest_visual_contact
you get bearing and range...in feet, though. why in feet? no idea.

anyway, that will give you the data to the NEAREST. as was stated previously in this thread, you may want to shoot at an enemy which is NOT the nearest.

les green01 · 08-14-23, 04:36 PM

i just watch the shot and adjust but then most times im close enough for even the ai have a hard time missing

1Patriotofmany · 08-17-23, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by les green01

i just watch the shot and adjust but then most times im close enough for even the ai have a hard time missing

Hard to see the shot all the time in the fog and darker nights of Darkwaters. I take on destroyers and corvettes when I can barely see them in the fog, 3-4 thousand yards.

KaleunMarco · 08-17-23, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Patriotofmany

Hard to see the shot all the time in the fog and darker nights of Darkwaters. I take on destroyers and corvettes when I can barely see them in the fog, 3-4 thousand yards.

you're a braver man than i am, Gunga Din.

1Patriotofmany · 08-19-23, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

you're a braver man than i am, Gunga Din.

The Darker Nights mod for Dark Waters really makes game play better, you can close in on convoys a lot better. And the Fog is just wonderful. Half the time they can't see you till they are erupting in flames. I like how the fog thickens and thins which can get you into trouble.

Jeff-Groves · 08-19-23, 01:30 PM

Wild suggestion you could try.
Open Deck_Gun_GE105mm.cam in the Library\GerSubParts folder.
EditObjPos

Set UseInitialLocalPos to false.

Other then that I suspect the KeyFrame Animations control position of the Guns when you switch back and forth.

You could do a cheat and change the timing for the Guns movements.

08-10-23, 11:23 AM	#1
1Patriotofmany Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 574 Downloads: 111 Uploads: 0	Is there a fix for gun range resetting When you are looking at a target ship from the uzo, you find the range, then go down to the main gun, dial in the range adjust for your movment and the other ships making progressively different range shots. If it's a destroyer or other fast maneuvering or distant ship you eventually lose the range usually and have to go back to the uzo to establish the correct range. When you go back down to the main gun, the range has reset itself and it takes you that much longer to readjust to get back on target! That few seconds could be the difference between being hit hard/fatally and getting a couple more shots off. Is there any way to keep the gun range where it last was when you leave to check the uzo range again?

08-10-23, 10:57 PM	#3
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,731 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	Code: 1. Get initial range on the target. 2. Set the gun. 3. Fire the gun. 4. Observe impact. 5. If impact is behind target, decrease range. Goto 3. 6. If impact is in front of target, increase range. Goto 3. 7. Goto 3. I base my deck gun shooting completely on the fall of the shell, aside from an approximate range at the beginning. If I have to resort to the deck gun, I'm usually either very close in, or the situation is desperate enough that I don't have time to check for an accurate range. I don't have to deal with the resetting issue, either, because once I switch to it, I'm on the gun until the target is gone. __________________ "Never ask a World War II history buff for a 'final solution' to your problem!"

08-11-23, 02:36 PM	#4
1Patriotofmany Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 574 Downloads: 111 Uploads: 0	What about programming someone at the uzo to give range to nearest warship or closest target, like sonar does? I play dark waters so sonar only works when submerged. Last edited by 1Patriotofmany; 08-11-23 at 03:04 PM.

08-11-23, 06:41 PM	#7
razark Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,731 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 12	I don't recall if it was in unmodded SH4, but TMO does have a report range to nearest visual contact, so that is about the closest option that I know is possible. It does only report the closest target, even if that's not the one you want. __________________ "Never ask a World War II history buff for a 'final solution' to your problem!"

08-14-23, 08:50 AM	#9
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	The report range thingie might just be a "close", "medium" and "long" range report, I do not remember. There is also a "Target nearest warship" for the deck officer. There should be menu buttons in OM / DW for both, but my memory cannot say for certain. Have your crew man the deck gun, and "Target nearest warship", once they shoot a shot, then try manning the gun yourself, and see if it's not partially aimed at the attacker then... I do not recall game behavior with that either... I think I need to plug my batts into the wall charger and get a 110v AC hit... wake things up maybe. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

08-11-23, 06:39 PM	#6
1Patriotofmany Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 574 Downloads: 111 Uploads: 0	Yeah I'm full of great ideas and no abilities

08-14-23, 04:36 PM	#11
les green01 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Freeman Missouri Posts: 1,784 Downloads: 1405 Uploads: 0	i just watch the shot and adjust but then most times im close enough for even the ai have a hard time missing __________________ I'll tell you what bravery really is. Bravery is just determination to do a job that you know has to be done. Audie Murphy

08-19-23, 01:30 PM	#15
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,649 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Wild suggestion you could try. Open Deck_Gun_GE105mm.cam in the Library\GerSubParts folder. EditObjPos Set UseInitialLocalPos to false. Other then that I suspect the KeyFrame Animations control position of the Guns when you switch back and forth. You could do a cheat and change the timing for the Guns movements. Last edited by Jeff-Groves; 08-19-23 at 02:34 PM.