UK Ministry of Defence Signs £9m Deal for New Red Arrows Plane

[blackswan40]

UK Ministry of Defence award £9m Deal with Bristol based Aeralis to design and build new trainer for RAF and Red Arrows



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/tech...819a811656eb71

[Jimbuna]

There are those out there who were fearing the disbandment of the Red Arrows.

[Commander Wallace]

Are these swing wing aircraft ? They look awesome. I was always a fan of the BAE Systems Hawk trainer aircraft and it's many derivatives. The McDonnel Douglas T-45 Goshawk which is a highly modified version of the British Hawk and remains an excellent aircraft.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Hawk

[blackswan40]

Hi Commander Wallace dont think they are swing wing aircraft but can have different engines and avionics and also pilotless for what ever role they are bought for ground attack fast jet trainer ect.
Its nice to see the mod and british industrie working together keeping the inhouse british aircraft design and manufacture in the Uk and all the skill sets also.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by blackswan40

Hi Commander Wallace dont think they are swing wing aircraft but can have different engines and avionics and also pilotless for what ever role they are bought for ground attack fast jet trainer ect.
Its nice to see the mod and british industrie working together keeping the inhouse british aircraft design and manufacture in the Uk and all the skill sets also.

Happy new years Andrew and thanks for the response. If the new aircraft are anything like the British designed and built Hawk aircraft, they should be great. Of course, the U.S navy used them as trainers and attack aircraft and Saudi Arabia outfitted derivatives of Hawk Jets as attack aircraft.

English aircraft builders have always built great aircraft like the Spitfires, Hawker Hurricanes and Lancaster bombers and awesome engines going back to the Rolls Royce Merlin engine in the P-51 Mustang which allowed the P-51 Mustang to realize it's full potential.

That says nothing of the U.S marines adoption of the awesome English Harrier. The Falklands war proved how sound the design for the Harrier was. I always thought the U.K should have explored ways of making the Sea Harrier a mach plus aircraft. The Harrier was hard to beat years ago and I believe with advances to it's Blue Vixen radar and engines, It would be hard to beat now.

I think it will be difficult for the U.K to Improve on the Hawks.


https://www.arabnews.com/node/1475686/saudi-arabia


https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...d-saudi-arabia

[Eichhörnchen]

These don't look so very different to the Hawk do they? The differences will be in the tech; aircraft designed around a particular specification/role will tend to look very similar - at least on the outside

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Happy new years Andrew and thanks for the response. If the new aircraft are anything like the British designed and built Hawk aircraft, they should be great. Of course, the U.S navy used them as trainers and attack aircraft and Saudi Arabia outfitted derivatives of Hawk Jets as attack aircraft.

English aircraft builders have always built great aircraft like the Spitfires, Hawker Hurricanes and Lancaster bombers and awesome engines going back to the Rolls Royce Merlin engine in the P-51 Mustang which allowed the P-51 Mustang to realize it's full potential.

That says nothing of the U.S marines adoption of the awesome English Harrier. The Falklands war proved how sound the design for the Harrier was. I always thought the U.K should have explored ways of making the Sea Harrier a mach plus aircraft. The Harrier was hard to beat years ago and I believe with advances to it's Blue Vixen radar and engines, It would be hard to beat now.

I think it will be difficult for the U.K to Improve on the Hawks.


https://www.arabnews.com/node/1475686/saudi-arabia


https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...d-saudi-arabia

With regards to the Harrier indeed the UK did back in the 70s look into a supersonic harrier the P1154, however I do believe the AV8B built by McDonnel Douglas / Boeing is capable of Mach 1.2 in certain aspects of flight.
The British FRS1 and FA2 sea harriers did achieve supersonic flight during the Falklands on numerous occasions in dives but ultimately it is a sub sonic airframe

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

With regards to the Harrier indeed the UK did back in the 70s look into a supersonic harrier the P1154, however I do believe the AV8B built by McDonnel Douglas / Boeing is capable of Mach 1.2 in certain aspects of flight.
The British FRS1 and FA2 sea harriers did achieve supersonic flight during the Falklands on numerous occasions in dives but ultimately it is a sub sonic airframe

I was unaware the AV8B harrier had achieved mach numbers. I think it's a safe bet it did so also in a dive. It seems that the Hawk aircraft design had merits with some further refinements. As an example, the F/A 18 Hornet program grew from the excellent F-5 program. General Chuck Yeager himself helped push the F-5 into the F-20 Tiger shark Prototype.



Thanks for the information, Kapitan. Hope your studies are going well. All the best in the New Year.