The Revelation of Greta: no heavens behind the heavens

[Skybird]

https://translate.google.de/translat...eine_erloesung

Although we are all guilty, there are major culprits. The environmental crisis appears in the perspective of climate savers as a crisis of market-driven economics, suggesting an anti-capitalist thrust, because it is the industrial societies of the North, so the certainty, which are largely responsible for the destruction of nature. While environmental problems can be easily reduced to the friend-to-foe ratio, the treatment - better: non-treatment - of population growth by the „rebel camp“ shows that no opponent can be fixed here to whom one can base his moral appeals.
In the notion of climate saviors, „nature“ somehow replaces the proletariat: it is suppressed, exploited, destroyed. Since the Western market economy is considered to be a major cause, we find here the break-in point for a centralist, quasi-socialist policy, for example about environmental norms and their monitoring (which makes sense at first), could install a kind of ecodicture, planning and planning requires a controlling state. To save humanity, totalitarian visions are uttered without any shame. Thus, Fridays for Future calls for a global, total mobilization of resources to rescue, to an extent „similar to wartime“.
It is striking that the intersection between the climate hysterics and the no-border fraction is practically 100 percent. Characteristic of these movements are their maximum demands, which do not reveal an empirical limitation or any reference to reality. This is the motto of the „Extinction Rebellion“ because also succinctly: „Riot or extinction.“ That these movements as well as the demands for an unlimited immigration, especially in Germany so many believing followers, is no coincidence (see mine Essay „German Hysteria“ on the Axis). Idealism, hypermorality, perfection, exaggeration and adherence to principles are downright striking unique selling points, even to their own self-destruction. So what could be more appropriate than to raise the issue of universal human rights or „climate rescue“ to a principle that must be applied in any case, whatever the cost? In this respect, the „climate refugee“ is the ideal synthesis of two self-convergent discourses.

[Skybird]

Somewhat complementing the above.


https://translate.google.de/translat..._11165063.html

[Catfish]

Who could ever blame good old capitalism for raping the world?

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Who could ever blame good old capitalism for raping the world?

Kinda rich, a song about the evils of capitalism from a guy who's entire success and subsequent wealth come from said capitalism.

[JU_88]

Yes global living conditions were so much better before capitalism, right?
Capitalism indeed has its flaws (as does everything else.)
It is by its nature more wasteful and destructive compared to alternatives. That said we have had the biggest era of overall peace and prosperity the world has ever seen and that is down to capitalism also, so some credit where its due.
Nothing is so black and white.

[Mr Quatro]

Capitalism explained:

There once was a Vietnam refugee who got a job as a janitor in a shopping mall ... He noticed three stores had closed in the mall. He asked permission to open one on his limited credit. The store did so well that he was able to obtain the other two stores (fast food I believe, but not certain).

Vietnam refugee janitor makes all three stores successful becomes a millionaire and returns to Vietnam for a visit bringing artificial limbs with him for his handicap countrymen.

True story

[mapuc]

It's nothing wrong with a person who start his or her life as poor and become rich as old-it is how they became rich..did they hurt other people in the effort to become rich then its not ok(not by me it ain't)

Environment and the climate thing.

The only thing I can say is the biggest looser is us the ordinary people or the voters who fall for all those fairy tales the politicians tell the climate-worried people or voters.

Markus

[JU_88]

I freely admit I'm quite ignorant on the subject of man made climate change, what the exact science is, and where peoples motivations lie on both sides of that debate is sketchy at best.
but simply - to go with the hippy activists and Gretas who later then turn out to be wrong- nothing really bad happens. To go with the neocon denier types who then later turn out to be wrong, well then we are royally screwed.
So id be inclined go with the hippies on that one :P just to err on the side of caution. but i'm not about to superglue my self to a road in protest or start foaming at the mouth when people merely suggest my instincts are wrong.

Chances are we screwed anyway later by a comet or something but at least we can say that was beyond our control.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Chances are we screwed anyway later by a comet or something but at least we can say that was beyond our control.

Not if we're all dead!!

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Reece

Not if we're all dead!!

[Catfish]

^

Originally Posted by JU_88

Yes global living conditions were so much better before capitalism, right?

Did i say that all capitalism or the idea behind it is bad? Has there really ever been a time without 'capitalism' if you define the latter as giving and receiving something for it, from exchanging goods to using money to ease it up? I know capitalism is defined by owning money, but if you have goods, like shells or wood or bread or whatever to trade to exchange it for something, there is not such a big difference? Is there any country in the world that does not run on capitalistic basics?
What i do not like is that it is used as excuse (people are so much better off with it) for justifying pure relentless greed.
What exactly is the reason for burning down rain forest to have more cattle, if not for making more money and fk the consequences for the rest of the world? Who do you want to make responsible?

I am just not buying Skybirds absolutist opinion that any try to improve general living conditions with focus on nature and environment is "bad" just because it is so cool of him to despise dumb Greta.
Wait until companies discover how much money can be made with environmental technology or 'saving the world'

[Skybird]

What really is behind it all is a deep-rooting desire for destroying market economy and capitalism, and the burgoise society anyway.

[Skybird]

Opinion piece on the expensive german climate package just deciced by the government gangsters for 53 bn - money that they themselves do nto have to pay, but want to blackmail from the working people.


https://translate.google.de/translat...F25041516.html


And the Greens in Germany? They just announced they want to battle against the climate package in the Bundesrat, because they want it uch, much worse, and push expropriation and totalitarianism to a new climax unseen since the GDR and the Third Reich. As some Green sympathiser last year said on some demonstration: if somebody owns more than he wears in clothing and carries with his both hands this is evidence that the state needs to take control of his belongings so to fight greed and social injustice. When I red that last year, I had to swallow and for a moment I feared for my own wellbeing and life.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Opinion piece on the expensive german climate package [...] .

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...45&postcount=5