Question regarding AA guns and deflective shooting

FeatsOfStrength · 12-13-19, 01:29 PM

To what extent do I need to employ deflective shooting when firing AA guns? I've found that the only planes I seem to be able to score hits on easily are Swordfish.. which represent practically no challenge at all. Any kind of aircraft that moves faster than that though I can't seem to hit whatsoever. I'm not talking kills, more so just regular hits.

I've spent about 18 years playing IL2 as well as other Air combat sims going back to the DOS version of B17 Flying fortress and they require quite a skill when it comes to deflective shooting (knowing where to aim in relation to the direction and incoming speed of Aircraft to score a hit) so i've learned a system in those games, which works across games as it happens for using a gunners sight to accurately judge the speed and angle of an incoming attacker and adjust my aim accordingly ( this WW2 training film aimed at wastegunners basically outlines what I attempt to do).

Obviously, firing from a submarine moving slowly through the sea requires different calculations to a plane, but i'm suprised at how different as I never seem to hit anything unless it's moving very slowly. The most success i've had in game is when I aim directly on a target, my deflective shooting techniques don't seem to make any difference, so I was wondering if ballistics were fully implemented or if there was only bullet drop? and if anyone has any techniques that work?

John Pancoast · 12-13-19, 02:46 PM

Best deflection is the angle of your boat as it crash dives to avoid the plane <g>

Sorry, don't know the answer to your question.

Anvar1061 · 12-13-19, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FeatsOfStrength

this WW2 training film aimed at wastegunners basically outlines what I attempt to do).

FeatsOfStrength · 12-13-19, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Anvar1061

You can laugh but it actually works in combat flight sims! the gunners sight can be used as a reference to calculate target speed, distance and to estimate your best time to shoot/place to aim.

I'm going to do some experimentation I think.

Anvar1061 · 01-17-20, 02:19 PM

bstanko6 · 01-17-20, 03:55 PM

As some of the guys implied... the best thing to do is dive! But if you need to shoot, the best “lead” angle is determined visually between all tracers in the ammo belt. Good luck! I did a whole video on why you never use FLAK!

UKönig · 01-29-20, 08:41 PM

Take all your aa gunnery skills to task.
Shooting planes is just like firing torpedoes only much, much faster.
Remember, the aircraft can do anything you can do at least 10 times faster.
The best defense is to dive deep and quickly. Only man the guns if you don't have the range (inside of 1000m) to crash dive safely, or if you are really bored and desperately need some action.

12-13-19, 01:29 PM	#1
FeatsOfStrength Gunner Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 100 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Question regarding AA guns and deflective shooting To what extent do I need to employ deflective shooting when firing AA guns? I've found that the only planes I seem to be able to score hits on easily are Swordfish.. which represent practically no challenge at all. Any kind of aircraft that moves faster than that though I can't seem to hit whatsoever. I'm not talking kills, more so just regular hits. I've spent about 18 years playing IL2 as well as other Air combat sims going back to the DOS version of B17 Flying fortress and they require quite a skill when it comes to deflective shooting (knowing where to aim in relation to the direction and incoming speed of Aircraft to score a hit) so i've learned a system in those games, which works across games as it happens for using a gunners sight to accurately judge the speed and angle of an incoming attacker and adjust my aim accordingly ( this WW2 training film aimed at wastegunners basically outlines what I attempt to do). Obviously, firing from a submarine moving slowly through the sea requires different calculations to a plane, but i'm suprised at how different as I never seem to hit anything unless it's moving very slowly. The most success i've had in game is when I aim directly on a target, my deflective shooting techniques don't seem to make any difference, so I was wondering if ballistics were fully implemented or if there was only bullet drop? and if anyone has any techniques that work?

12-13-19, 02:46 PM	#2
John Pancoast Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnysoda Posts: 3,211 Downloads: 501 Uploads: 4	Best deflection is the angle of your boat as it crash dives to avoid the plane <g> Sorry, don't know the answer to your question. __________________ "Realistic" is not always GAME-GOOD." - Wave Skipper

01-17-20, 02:19 PM	#5
Anvar1061 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2012 Location: In the sea, on land and above Posts: 3,481 Downloads: 875 Uploads: 0	__________________

01-17-20, 03:55 PM	#6
bstanko6 Admiral Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Murwik Naval Academy Posts: 2,130 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 13	As some of the guys implied... the best thing to do is dive! But if you need to shoot, the best “lead” angle is determined visually between all tracers in the ammo belt. Good luck! I did a whole video on why you never use FLAK! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] BSTANKO6'S SH5 NAVAL ACADEMY http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPbe...W2NArCA/videos DISCORD https://discord.gg/6tFeTSUmVc

01-29-20, 08:41 PM	#7
UKönig Captain Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 495 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Take all your aa gunnery skills to task. Shooting planes is just like firing torpedoes only much, much faster. Remember, the aircraft can do anything you can do at least 10 times faster. The best defense is to dive deep and quickly. Only man the guns if you don't have the range (inside of 1000m) to crash dive safely, or if you are really bored and desperately need some action. __________________ Because I'm the captain, that's why!