Should white people ever sing the N-word?

Gerald · 05-22-18, 01:24 PM

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The controversy over the use of the N-word has hit the headlines again after a white woman was booed at a Kendrick Lamar gig for singing it on stage.

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The rapper http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-44209141 the woman to sing M.A.A.D City during his set at the Hangout Festival in Alabama.

But Lamar stopped her after she repeatedly used the N-word - which is heard multiple times in his song.

As the crowd reacted angrily, Kendrick told the fan: "You gotta bleep one single word."

The N-word is a derogatory term; a racial slur which was used to refer to and insult black slaves, but today it is used prominently in hip-hop

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-44209119

I think that a well-behaved language is best and is relevant for maintaining good communication, but in the entertainment industry, N is flowing.

Sean C · 05-22-18, 03:03 PM

Personally, I don't think anyone should use the word at all. (Except when quoting it's use historically. I'm not a fan of trying to erase the past.)

Iceman · 05-23-18, 09:47 AM

It is absurd...I googled some of his lyrics from just one song.

"Is It Love"
(feat. Angela McCluskey)

[Angela McCluskey (Kendrick Lamar)]
Sit still and close your eyes (smoke to it)
What's behind the other door? Oh-ohh
No more silence (no more silence)
Don't kill this thing we got called love (don't shoot)
Just searching for the perfect shot

[Chorus: Angela McCluskey]
When love comes calling, don't look back
When love comes calling, don't look away
When love comes calling, don't look back
When love comes calling, don't look away

[Kendrick Lamar (Angela McCluskey)]
I used to write rhymes all day and all night
When y'all was playing PlayStation, my pencil was erasing lines
My conscience only knew what's half-tight
At 3:14, it's time to get me a slice my nigga
This is a dog's fight my nigga
The soundtrack to life my nigga
Kendrick Lamar, his momma called him that
He watched House Party and ate Apple Jacks
He sold Sega games, his cousin sold crack
He pumped Reeboks, his uncles pumped packs
Punk fake, jump-shot, ball hit the back
Ball dreams of being point guard was off limits Jack
That's because these Compton streets was built not to win
You killed the nigga, I stole a bible, is that a sin?
Part of me though, I'm searching for answers (just searching for the perfect shot)
The good kid from the ugly city that's mad that he's had some
Where is the love?

[Chorus: Angela McCluskey (Kendrick Lamar)]
When love comes calling, don't look back
When love comes calling, don't look away (where is the love?)
When love comes calling, don't look back
When love comes calling, don't look away

[Kendrick Lamar (Angela McCluskey)]
Give me rings, give me chains mayne
Give me a blue Benz, red Porsche, red Range
Give me black bitches, white hoes, new clothes
A mansion with marble floors and security codes
Then give me some landa, or maybe I'll land a
G5, clear port, say hello to the man
Give me awards, Grammies, and let the crowd applaud
my name till they strain the veins in they vocal chords
Give me fame and fortune, me and Trump on golf courses
With that being said, give me Tiger's sports endorsements
Give me billboards, whatever that people would kill for
Manhattan at 40/40, no forties but rose poured
Give me vanity, give me Kurt Cobain sanity
Give me a city where Channel 7 newscasters' cameras be
Give me horror like Amity, no, give me the charts (just searching for the perfect shot)
And if you ever renege, I'll still give you Kendrick Lamar
This is me, and that's love

[Chorus: Angela McCluskey]
When love comes calling, don't look back
When love comes calling, don't look away
When love comes calling, don't look back
When love comes calling, don't look away

[Kendrick Lamar]
Now everybody smoke to it
for this is, the celebration

Just at a glance at this one song this person is a total hypocrite. White ho's and niggas abound in this pathetic excuse for a musician. Indeed the tongue in an unruly evil which no man can tame.

Makes me sick...

It called to mind the scene in Glory from Morgan Freeman.

[Trip and Searles are about to fight when Rawlins steps in]
Trip: Get your hands off me, gravedigger!
Rawlins: Goddamn it! Does the whole world gotta stomp on your face?
Trip: ******, you better get your hands off me!
Rawlins: Ain't no ******s around here, you hear me?
Trip: Oh, I see. So the white man give you a couple of stripes, next thing you hollerin' and orderin' everybody around, like you the massa himself! ******, you ain't nothin' but the white man's dog! ****. [Rawlins slaps him.]
Rawlins: And what are you? So full of hate you have to fight everybody because you've been whipped and chased by hounds. Well, that might not be living, but it sure as hell ain't dying. And dying's what these white boys been doin' for going on three years now, dying by the thousands! Dying for you, fool! I know, 'cuz I dug the graves. And all the time I keep askin' myself, "When, O Lord, when gonna be our time?" Gonna come a time when we all gonna hafta ante up and kick in like men. LIKE MEN! You watch who you callin' ******. If there's any ******s round here, it's YOU! Smart-mouthed, stupid-ass, swamp-runnin' ******. And if you ain't careful, that's all you ever gonna be.

Amen

mapuc · 05-23-18, 11:53 AM

I can agree on that the N-word is not suitable

Well in my world the word Afro-American is also non-suitable.

How many generation does a black person living in USA have to live there before you call him American.

You do not call a white person Euro-American or Iris-American(I haven't heard these words)

For me-An American who use the words Afro-American, are saying to a black person-
You will never be an American you will always be known as Afro-American.

That's how I see it.

Markus

JU_88 · 05-23-18, 08:03 PM

Some find it offensive, others wont, most probably wont really care.

I'm more iffy about the widely accepted term 'People of Colour'
Maybe some one can explain how that is any different from the old slur 'coloured people'?
It means the same thing 'non-white'. And If someone needs a blanket term to describe anyone who isn't one particular colour, I have a pretty bad feeling about that persons intentions.
Because that sort of thing never leads anywhere good.

em2nought · 05-24-18, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

For me-An American who use the words Afro-American, are saying to a black person-
You will never be an American you will always be known as Afro-American.

That's how I see it.

Markus

That designation wasn't chosen by the people you are interpreting it to have been chosen by. It was "self" chosen. I don't choose to call myself a German American, I'm an American. By and large African Americans don't want you to call them just "plain" Americans. Somebody tell me if I'm wrong?

Now I'm curious as to how people from Turkey residing in Germany prefer to be referred to?

Platapus · 05-25-18, 06:27 AM

Mapuc,

I think the point is that if you wanted to refer to yourself as a "*-American" you would be free to do so. The fact that you choose not to, does not validate or invalidate another person's choice.

People in the US often refer to themselves by other descriptive names

Southerners, Northern, Coastal, New Yorkers, etc. The only difference is that in our culture we don't add the "-American" as it is understood

If someone self-identified as "Southern", chances are slight that they mean South France. The "American" is presumed.

However if someone self identifies as "African", one would not presume that "American" should be appended. Hence the hyphen.

I wonder if there are any white people who identify as African-American. Africa is a big place.

Aktungbby · 05-25-18, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PLATAPUS

The only difference is that in our culture we don't add the "-American" as it is understood

@ MAPUC: BELOW THE MASON-DIXON LINE, 'DAMN YANKEE' IS NOT HYPHENATED; IT IS CONSIDERED ONE WORD.

SUCH IS 'CULTURE' IE: WE'RE JUST BEING... 'UN-CIVIL'

Sean C · 05-25-18, 10:20 AM

Or you can just say "yankee". The "damn" will be implied anyway.

Sailor Steve · 05-25-18, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel B.

Or you can just say "yankee". The "damn" will be implied anyway.

Which was problematic for soldiers from the southern states when the staged in Britain in WW2. The Brits call all Americans "Yankees", or just "Yanks".

aanker · 05-26-18, 10:27 AM

I tried putting 'American' on the last Census and got an official visit.

We were almost getting to the point where we thought of each other as American, then divisiveness reared its ugly head again about 9 years ago.

I went through the 60's, nobody uses the n-word in my house, and my American friends are American.

05-22-18, 03:03 PM	#2
Sean C Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 984 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 2	Personally, I don't think anyone should use the word at all. (Except when quoting it's use historically. I'm not a fan of trying to erase the past.) __________________ If you have a question about celestial navigation ... ask me! Celestial Navigation Spreadsheet

05-25-18, 06:27 AM	#7
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Mapuc, I think the point is that if you wanted to refer to yourself as a "-American" you would be free to do so. The fact that you choose not to, does not validate or invalidate another person's choice. People in the US often refer to themselves by other descriptive names Southerners, Northern, Coastal, New Yorkers, etc. The only difference is that in our culture we don't add the "-American" as it is understood If someone self-identified as "Southern", chances are slight that they mean South France. The "American" is presumed. However if someone self identifies as "African", one would not presume that "American" should be appended. Hence the hyphen. I wonder if there are any white people who identify as African-American. Africa is a big place. __________________ abusus non tollit usum -* A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-25-18, 10:20 AM	#9
Sean C Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 984 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 2	Or you can just say "yankee". The "damn" will be implied anyway. __________________ If you have a question about celestial navigation ... ask me! Celestial Navigation Spreadsheet

05-23-18, 09:47 AM	#3
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	It is absurd...I googled some of his lyrics from just one song. "Is It Love" (feat. Angela McCluskey) [Angela McCluskey (Kendrick Lamar)] Sit still and close your eyes (smoke to it) What's behind the other door? Oh-ohh No more silence (no more silence) Don't kill this thing we got called love (don't shoot) Just searching for the perfect shot [Chorus: Angela McCluskey] When love comes calling, don't look back When love comes calling, don't look away When love comes calling, don't look back When love comes calling, don't look away [Kendrick Lamar (Angela McCluskey)] I used to write rhymes all day and all night When y'all was playing PlayStation, my pencil was erasing lines My conscience only knew what's half-tight At 3:14, it's time to get me a slice my nigga This is a dog's fight my nigga The soundtrack to life my nigga Kendrick Lamar, his momma called him that He watched House Party and ate Apple Jacks He sold Sega games, his cousin sold crack He pumped Reeboks, his uncles pumped packs Punk fake, jump-shot, ball hit the back Ball dreams of being point guard was off limits Jack That's because these Compton streets was built not to win You killed the nigga, I stole a bible, is that a sin? Part of me though, I'm searching for answers (just searching for the perfect shot) The good kid from the ugly city that's mad that he's had some Where is the love? [Chorus: Angela McCluskey (Kendrick Lamar)] When love comes calling, don't look back When love comes calling, don't look away (where is the love?) When love comes calling, don't look back When love comes calling, don't look away [Kendrick Lamar (Angela McCluskey)] Give me rings, give me chains mayne Give me a blue Benz, red Porsche, red Range Give me black bitches, white hoes, new clothes A mansion with marble floors and security codes Then give me some landa, or maybe I'll land a G5, clear port, say hello to the man Give me awards, Grammies, and let the crowd applaud my name till they strain the veins in they vocal chords Give me fame and fortune, me and Trump on golf courses With that being said, give me Tiger's sports endorsements Give me billboards, whatever that people would kill for Manhattan at 40/40, no forties but rose poured Give me vanity, give me Kurt Cobain sanity Give me a city where Channel 7 newscasters' cameras be Give me horror like Amity, no, give me the charts (just searching for the perfect shot) And if you ever renege, I'll still give you Kendrick Lamar This is me, and that's love [Chorus: Angela McCluskey] When love comes calling, don't look back When love comes calling, don't look away When love comes calling, don't look back When love comes calling, don't look away [Kendrick Lamar] Now everybody smoke to it for this is, the celebration Just at a glance at this one song this person is a total hypocrite. White ho's and niggas abound in this pathetic excuse for a musician. Indeed the tongue in an unruly evil which no man can tame. Makes me sick... It called to mind the scene in Glory from Morgan Freeman. [Trip and Searles are about to fight when Rawlins steps in] Trip: Get your hands off me, gravedigger! Rawlins: Goddamn it! Does the whole world gotta stomp on your face? Trip: ****, you better get your hands off me! Rawlins: Ain't no **s around here, you hear me? Trip: Oh, I see. So the white man give you a couple of stripes, next thing you hollerin' and orderin' everybody around, like you the massa himself! **, you ain't nothin' but the white man's dog! . [Rawlins slaps him.] Rawlins: And what are you? So full of hate you have to fight everybody because you've been whipped and chased by hounds. Well, that might not be living, but it sure as hell ain't dying. And dying's what these white boys been doin' for going on three years now, dying by the thousands! Dying for you, fool! I know, 'cuz I dug the graves. And all the time I keep askin' myself, "When, O Lord, when gonna be our time?" Gonna come a time when we all gonna hafta ante up and kick in like men. LIKE MEN! You watch who you callin' **. If there's any ****s round here, it's YOU! Smart-mouthed, stupid-ass, swamp-runnin' **. And if you ain't careful, that's all you ever gonna be. Amen

05-23-18, 11:53 AM	#4
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I can agree on that the N-word is not suitable Well in my world the word Afro-American is also non-suitable. How many generation does a black person living in USA have to live there before you call him American. You do not call a white person Euro-American or Iris-American(I haven't heard these words) For me-An American who use the words Afro-American, are saying to a black person- You will never be an American you will always be known as Afro-American. That's how I see it. Markus

05-23-18, 08:03 PM	#5
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Some find it offensive, others wont, most probably wont really care. I'm more iffy about the widely accepted term 'People of Colour' Maybe some one can explain how that is any different from the old slur 'coloured people'? It means the same thing 'non-white'. And If someone needs a blanket term to describe anyone who isn't one particular colour, I have a pretty bad feeling about that persons intentions. Because that sort of thing never leads anywhere good.

05-26-18, 10:27 AM	#11
aanker Pacific Thunder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yellow Sea Posts: 1,896 Downloads: 236 Uploads: 14	I tried putting 'American' on the last Census and got an official visit. We were almost getting to the point where we thought of each other as American, then divisiveness reared its ugly head again about 9 years ago. I went through the 60's, nobody uses the n-word in my house, and my American friends are American.