YouTube blocks most music videos in Finland, including the national anthem

Dowly · 11-30-17, 12:16 PM

https://thenextweb.com/google/2017/1...-music-videos/

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In a bizarre turn of events, today Google blocked thousands of music videos on YouTube in Finland after the company failed to immediately reach a licensing agreement with local performance copyrights agency, Teosto.

So... yeah, that happened.

The most baffling thing is how stuff like the German national anthem (Yes, it's blocked) falls under TEOSTO's watch in Finland, or some game music I heard that is blocked.

Jean Sibelius is also on the block list, pieces such as the Finlandia and his military march Jääkärimarssi are blocked.

Eichhörnchen · 11-30-17, 12:24 PM

It's not good when cultural stuff gets blocked; I suppose you can't enjoy this either

kraznyi_oktjabr · 11-30-17, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Jean Sibelius is also on the block list, pieces such as the Finlandia and his military march Jääkärimarssi are blocked.

I don't understand these as their copyright should have expired ten years ago. As far as I know copyrights should expire 50 years after death of artist. However I don't know how exactly copyrights go when someoneperforms piece of music which no longer has copyright. Is that performance fair play or copyrighted?

EDIT: BTW, earlier today Robbie William's 'Feel' was also blocked and stated reason was copyright claim by TEOSTO (that is how YouTube had it spelled, all capitals...). Now atleast this one works again.

Dowly · 11-30-17, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

However I don't know how exactly copyrights go when someoneperforms piece of music which no longer has copyright. Is that performance fair play or copyrighted?

If the original piece has no copyright, then it becomes public domain, so I don't see how someone else performing it would infringe on copyright.

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EDIT: BTW, earlier today Robbie William's 'Feel' was also blocked and stated reason was copyright claim by TEOSTO (that is how YouTube had it spelled, all capitals...). Now atleast this one works again.

Yup, like I said this is what baffles me the most. Teosto seemingly has licensed all sorts of music in Finland that has nothing to do with it as AFAIK Teosto only works with Finnish artists.

@Eichhörnchen: I can see that, but for example the two videos in AVGWarhawk's thread are both blocked.

EDIT: It appears the unblocking has started, still not everything but certainly some that were unwatchable are unblocked now.

propbeanie · 11-30-17, 01:11 PM

Bravissimo Eichhörnchen! Encore! Encore!!!

I've encountered quite a few "strange" blocks here in the US, but not like what you guys describe...

vienna · 11-30-17, 04:25 PM

Teosto (or as YT puts it 'TEOSTO') is apparently a sort of music artists and authors rights administrator, much like ASCAP or BMI here in the US. My guess as to why they are able to have blocked foreign works blocked is the artists have assigned administrative rights to their works in the territories covered by Teosto; the reciprocal of the situation would be foreign artists in the US letting ACSAP/BMI administer and collect royalties for them in the US...

What is Teosto?--

https://www.teosto.fi/en/teosto/articles/what-teosto

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Mr Quatro · 11-30-17, 05:35 PM

Are you aware that youtube makes $5 billion dollars a year off of advertising
and that was before the red youtube $10 extra a month for no advertising came out?

vienna · 11-30-17, 06:19 PM

YT may be raking in the big bucks, but they really want to keep it that way; paying out royalties has been a point of contention all over the world; every entertainment and media entity has locked horns with right administrators for decades and its always about divvying up the revenue pie, with each wanting a bigger slice. I don't know what the issues are in the Finland situation, but its a safe bet Teosto is asking for a sharp rise in royalty rates and YT is not keen on the idea; YT may be able to afford a big bump for Teosto, but then every other nationally local rights administrator would want the same and, most likely, much more than Teosto gets, since each believes their 'stable' is far better than anyone else's; that is where it starts to get into real big bites of the pie; the best course, for YT, is to try to mitigate, as much as possible, any domino effect an agreement with Teosto might cause...

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Specialistgd · 12-07-17, 09:06 PM

well, I still can see Jääkärimarssi videos

I even find its soundtrack via AHA Music - Music Identifier.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...fbehkpomnbgblf
so no problem, right?

kraznyi_oktjabr · 12-08-17, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Specialistgd

well, I still can see Jääkärimarssi videos

I even find its soundtrack via AHA Music - Music Identifier.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...fbehkpomnbgblf
so no problem, right?

Welcome aboard!

Google and Teosto reached an temporary agreement (reportedly at Google's terms) so any media represented by Teosto was returned to YouTube. Also Jääkärimarssi is now on public domain so it should not have been blocked in first place (and there was many other things that should not have been blocked...).

Jimbuna · 12-08-17, 06:52 AM

Welcome to SubSim Specialistgd

Lionclaw · 12-08-17, 07:25 AM

I was at church for the 100 year anniversary of Finnish independence.

A motet choir sang:
Finlandia
Veteraanin Iltahuuto
Oi muistatko vielä sen virren

Great song, have never heard it before.

Skybird · 12-08-17, 07:31 AM

We had - or still have ? - such a deadlock between a licensing organization (GEMA) and Youtube in Germany, too. I lasted for years, I am not sure whether it still is in place.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 12-08-17, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

We had - or still have ? - such a deadlock between a licensing organization (GEMA) and Youtube in Germany, too. I lasted for years, I am not sure whether it still is in place.

Yle wrote about that dispute in past tense when they compared our situation to similar cases abroad. I haven't checked if that was correct or not.

Dowly · 12-11-17, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lionclaw

Veteraanin Iltahuuto

Great song, have never heard it before.

Indeed, though I prefer this version:

English lyrics I found off the interwebs:

Veteran’s Evening Call

The sun has set on the shores of a dusky bay
The evening call bids to here one’s burdens lay
Remember your elders, steps grown tired and slow
Our children and children’s children, now it’s your time to go

Take care, soon part our brothers, remember: For them dear was the price that was paid
Tell your grandchildren in songs and stories: These memories must never fade!

The vaults echo with a quiet hymn, full of ache and sorrow
Time has gathered its harvest, empty now stands each furrow
Once we marched together, the earth was in fire and the sky
From the sands of Onega bay, to whom of this can I cry?

Take care, soon part our brothers, remember: For them dear was the price that was paid
Tell your grandchildren in songs and stories: These memories must never fade!

The waves of Ladoga’s might, shackles all broken and gone
Brothers kept watch on the shores, waiting for sovereign morn
Karelia’s kin has carried its pain with honour and pride
Sheltered in earth’s embrace, now rests guard and guide

Take care, soon part our brothers, remember: For them dear was the price that was paid
Tell your grandchildren in songs and stories: These memories must never fade!

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vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Teosto (or as YT puts it 'TEOSTO') is apparently a sort of music artists and authors rights administrator, much like ASCAP or BMI here in the US. My guess as to why they are able to have blocked foreign works blocked is the artists have assigned administrative rights to their works in the territories covered by Teosto; the reciprocal of the situation would be foreign artists in the US letting ACSAP/BMI administer and collect royalties for them in the US... What is Teosto?-- https://www.teosto.fi/en/teosto/articles/what-teosto <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

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vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	YT may be raking in the big bucks, but they really want to keep it that way; paying out royalties has been a point of contention all over the world; every entertainment and media entity has locked horns with right administrators for decades and its always about divvying up the revenue pie, with each wanting a bigger slice. I don't know what the issues are in the Finland situation, but its a safe bet Teosto is asking for a sharp rise in royalty rates and YT is not keen on the idea; YT may be able to afford a big bump for Teosto, but then every other nationally local rights administrator would want the same and, most likely, much more than Teosto gets, since each believes their 'stable' is far better than anyone else's; that is where it starts to get into real big bites of the pie; the best course, for YT, is to try to mitigate, as much as possible, any domino effect an agreement with Teosto might cause... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

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Specialistgd Bilge Rat Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 1 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	well, I still can see Jääkärimarssi videos I even find its soundtrack via AHA Music - Music Identifier. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...fbehkpomnbgblf so no problem, right?

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Lionclaw Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,006 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I was at church for the 100 year anniversary of Finnish independence. A motet choir sang: Finlandia Veteraanin Iltahuuto Oi muistatko vielä sen virren Great song, have never heard it before.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	We had - or still have ? - such a deadlock between a licensing organization (GEMA) and Youtube in Germany, too. I lasted for years, I am not sure whether it still is in place. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.