Type VIIC Emblems not showing up

Zander42 · 03-10-17, 04:58 PM

Hello,

I generally try not to start new threads, but haven't really seen to many other threads that address this problem, at least no in a thread that's not more than two years old.

I've not been able to get any emblems to show up on a Type VIIC conning tower. The image of the emblem shows up in the crew management screen but not in the 3D model in the game world. I've done several targeted Google searches to try to figure out a fix. The closest I've seen to a discussion about this problem, and potential fix, is a thread which leads to the "Trum7c_8 Your Way" mod published by Privateer in 2009. I downloaded this fix and installed but no joy. My emblems were still not showing up.

I've tried:
Multiple, different emblems.
Going on a first patrol in a VIIC with no emblem, then returning to base and applying the emblem then. Still no emblem.
Uninstalling my mods (see below). Game won't load in vanilla so the most basic mod I could run is LSH V5. Still no emblem.

My emblems work as expected in the Type IIA, and VIIB. I assume they work on the IX and XXI as well, but I haven't tried them. It seems to be a problem with the VIIC. Didn't try the /41 either.

Here are my install specifics:
Win7 Ultimate 64 bit.
SHIII
LSH3 V5
LSH3 V5.1
LSH3 V5.1 GUI OLC

I also have some high 'specialeffekte,' sea color, and EnvSimAct_10 mods, but as I mentioned above, rolling back the mods to bare LSH3 V5.0 and nothing else did not fix the problem.

I have a weak suspicion that the Trum7c_8_hd.dat is not being referenced. I have S3D so I can look in to the data files. There seem to be two separate places where the hull graphics are located. In data\Submarine\NSS_Uboat7c there is NSS_Uboat7c.dat. This files has an embedded .TGA, NSS_Uboat7c_Hull. Similarly, in data\Objects there is Trum7c_8_hd.dat which also has an embedded tga, also named NSS_Uboat7c_hull, but this tga is clearly different than the one in NSS_Uboat7c.dat. The hull graphics that shows up in my game is clearly the one in the NSS_Uboat7c.dat and not the one in Trum7c_8_hd.dat.

I even tried exporting the tga from the NSS_Uboat7c.dat, manually adding an emblem and then re-importing it in to the .dat but that led to bizarre results since the skin from the place I was trying to apply the emblem is used for multiple locations around the conning tower, so no dice there.

So, it seems to me that the game isn't reading the .tga file from the Trum7c_8_hd.dat. Maybe that's why Privateers fix isn't working.

I"m obviously pretty far down the rabbit hole on this one. It's certainly not a game breaking problem, but it will nag at me until I figure it out.

Hoping someone else maybe had a similar problem and figured out a fix.

Thanks,

-z

Jeff-Groves · 03-10-17, 05:23 PM

Turms your way was based on GWX files so I can't say it will work with LSH files.
Turms Your way also requires you edit the images as you want.
It does not use the standard emblems.

Zander42 · 03-10-17, 11:34 PM

Yeah, I get that. It was still worth a try either way, just in case there isn't a difference between GWX and LSH as far as how they handle the two different .dat files. Might be why it didn't work though.

No problem editing the graphics files, just so long as the game maps them in such a way that you can do that. When I edited the tga file in the NSS_Uboat7c.dat, I was able to figure out the proper placement of the emblem on the tga graphic. Problem was, that same area seems to be mapped to several other areas, so portions of warped emblem showed up in several other location on the conning tower. Also, a mirror image of the emblem would show up on the opposite side of the tower. Overall, the attempt was a mess.

Maybe someone with LSH experience know if this is a problem common with that mod.

Aktungbby · 03-11-17, 01:58 AM

Zander42!

After a twelve year silent run!

since 2005!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zander42

Interests: Sailing, messing about with boats.

Hey my mom grew up in Bridgeport CT and sailed on Long Island Sound too! I see your location: Milford CT... practically next door.... has quite a harbor for 'messing about with boats'.

can always stand another real 'bootmesser'...imho

Zander42 · 03-11-17, 12:02 PM

Yeah, Milford is not too bad. My boat is somewhere in that picture I'm sure, unless it was taken last summer. Spent 3 months sailing Nova Scotia and Maine.

I've sailed from Halifax to the Florida Keys and across the Atlantic and I have to say that the Long Island Sound is one of the best places to sail anywhere. I've heard the Caribbean is nice with the trades always blowing, but I haven't sailed down there. Yet.

Here's S/V Argyle in Port Mouton, N.S. last year.

Aktungbby · 03-11-17, 12:10 PM

The pic's from 2006. What kind of boat?

03-10-17, 04:58 PM	#1
Zander42 Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Milford, CT Posts: 7 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Type VIIC Emblems not showing up Hello, I generally try not to start new threads, but haven't really seen to many other threads that address this problem, at least no in a thread that's not more than two years old. I've not been able to get any emblems to show up on a Type VIIC conning tower. The image of the emblem shows up in the crew management screen but not in the 3D model in the game world. I've done several targeted Google searches to try to figure out a fix. The closest I've seen to a discussion about this problem, and potential fix, is a thread which leads to the "Trum7c_8 Your Way" mod published by Privateer in 2009. I downloaded this fix and installed but no joy. My emblems were still not showing up. I've tried: Multiple, different emblems. Going on a first patrol in a VIIC with no emblem, then returning to base and applying the emblem then. Still no emblem. Uninstalling my mods (see below). Game won't load in vanilla so the most basic mod I could run is LSH V5. Still no emblem. My emblems work as expected in the Type IIA, and VIIB. I assume they work on the IX and XXI as well, but I haven't tried them. It seems to be a problem with the VIIC. Didn't try the /41 either. Here are my install specifics: Win7 Ultimate 64 bit. SHIII LSH3 V5 LSH3 V5.1 LSH3 V5.1 GUI OLC I also have some high 'specialeffekte,' sea color, and EnvSimAct_10 mods, but as I mentioned above, rolling back the mods to bare LSH3 V5.0 and nothing else did not fix the problem. I have a weak suspicion that the Trum7c_8_hd.dat is not being referenced. I have S3D so I can look in to the data files. There seem to be two separate places where the hull graphics are located. In data\Submarine\NSS_Uboat7c there is NSS_Uboat7c.dat. This files has an embedded .TGA, NSS_Uboat7c_Hull. Similarly, in data\Objects there is Trum7c_8_hd.dat which also has an embedded tga, also named NSS_Uboat7c_hull, but this tga is clearly different than the one in NSS_Uboat7c.dat. The hull graphics that shows up in my game is clearly the one in the NSS_Uboat7c.dat and not the one in Trum7c_8_hd.dat. I even tried exporting the tga from the NSS_Uboat7c.dat, manually adding an emblem and then re-importing it in to the .dat but that led to bizarre results since the skin from the place I was trying to apply the emblem is used for multiple locations around the conning tower, so no dice there. So, it seems to me that the game isn't reading the .tga file from the Trum7c_8_hd.dat. Maybe that's why Privateers fix isn't working. I"m obviously pretty far down the rabbit hole on this one. It's certainly not a game breaking problem, but it will nag at me until I figure it out. Hoping someone else maybe had a similar problem and figured out a fix. Thanks, -z

03-11-17, 12:02 PM	#5
Zander42 Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Milford, CT Posts: 7 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Yeah, Milford is not too bad. My boat is somewhere in that picture I'm sure, unless it was taken last summer. Spent 3 months sailing Nova Scotia and Maine. I've sailed from Halifax to the Florida Keys and across the Atlantic and I have to say that the Long Island Sound is one of the best places to sail anywhere. I've heard the Caribbean is nice with the trades always blowing, but I haven't sailed down there. Yet. Here's S/V Argyle in Port Mouton, N.S. last year. Last edited by Zander42; 03-11-17 at 12:18 PM.

03-11-17, 12:10 PM	#6
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 29,987 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	The pic's from 2006. What kind of boat? __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

03-10-17, 05:23 PM	#2
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,649 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Turms your way was based on GWX files so I can't say it will work with LSH files. Turms Your way also requires you edit the images as you want. It does not use the standard emblems.

03-10-17, 11:34 PM	#3
Zander42 Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Milford, CT Posts: 7 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I get that. It was still worth a try either way, just in case there isn't a difference between GWX and LSH as far as how they handle the two different .dat files. Might be why it didn't work though. No problem editing the graphics files, just so long as the game maps them in such a way that you can do that. When I edited the tga file in the NSS_Uboat7c.dat, I was able to figure out the proper placement of the emblem on the tga graphic. Problem was, that same area seems to be mapped to several other areas, so portions of warped emblem showed up in several other location on the conning tower. Also, a mirror image of the emblem would show up on the opposite side of the tower. Overall, the attempt was a mess. Maybe someone with LSH experience know if this is a problem common with that mod.