Sub Upgrades Availablity List

Excalibur Bane · 07-06-07, 07:23 PM

I'm not sure if anyone has made a rough tech tree yet, as I didn't see one in the stickies but here is one I made after looking at the data files. I didn't list the 50 cals as they aren't enabled, I'm still not sure which conning tower variations can handle which kind of deckguns and which subs can handle Bow and/or Stern mountings, that aren't currently bugged.

Not sure if everything is working correctly or if I got it right, but here it is anyway.

Radar Upgrades

SD Radar
Available on 1942-12-01, for 500 Renown.
Renown reduction on 1942-02-02 to 100 Renown.
Free upgrade on 1942-04-02 onwards.

Improved SD Radar
Available on 1942-06-01, for 500 Renown.
Renown reduction on 1942-08-02, to 100 Renown.
Free upgrade on 1943-01-02 onwards.

SV Radar
Available from 1945-06-01, for 1500 Renown.

SJ Radar
Available on 1942-07-01, for 500 Renown.
Renown reduction on 1942-10-02, to 100 Renown.
Free upgrade from 1943-04-02 onwards.

SJ-1 Radar
Available on 1943-07-01, for 500 Renown.
Renown reduction from 1943-12-24, to 100 Renown
Free upgrade from 1944-03-06 onwards.

ST Radar
Available from 1944-07-01, for 3,000 Renown.
Renown reduction from 1945-01-01 onwards.

Flakgun Upgrades

Single 20mm AA Machine Gun
Always available as a free upgrade.

Twin 20mm AA Machine Gun
Available on start of war for 100 Renown.
Free upgrade from 1942-05-02 onwards.

40mm AA Machine Gun
Available on 1942-10-08, for 1,000 Renown.
Renown reduction from 1943-04-05 onwards, to 150 Renown.

Twin 40mm AA Machine Gun
Available from 1944-05-08 onwards for 1,000 Renown.

Deck Guns

NOTE: All 3 inch/50 cal and 4 inch/50 cal are available from the start of the war for 400 Renown and then reduced to 150 Renown on 1944-09-02. Only Balao, Gar, Gato and Tambor class boats can mount 5 inch guns. S-class boats can only mount a bow deckgun.

5 inch/25 cal Deck Gun (Bow and Stern Mountings)
Available on 1944-03-28, for 800 Renown.
Renown reduction from 1944-09-02 to end of war, to 300 Renown.

Dual 5 inch/25 cal Deck Guns (Bow and Stern)
Available from 1945-01-01 to end of war for 2000 Renown.

Advanced Torpedoes

Mark 16 Torpedo
Available on 1945-01-01 onwards for 400 Renown.

Mark 18 Torpedo
Available on 1943-07-12, for 500 Renown each.
Renown reduction on 1944-01-16, to 200 Renown each.
Free loadout from 1944-09-01 to end of war.

Mark 23 Torpedo
Available on 1943-01-01, for 100 Renown each.
Reduction from 1944-01-06 to end of war, free loadout.

Mark 27 Torpedo
Available from 1944-01-01 to end of war, for 500 Renown each.

Conning Tower Upgrades

NOTE: Conning Tower upgrades are automatic, with a simple message telling you that your sub has been upgraded.

Gato

Early-war Conning Tower: Your basic Gato conning tower used on all Gatos at the start of the war until they were phased out completely by the end of 1942, includes a single AA platform that could mount either a single or dual 20 mm AA guns.

Mid-war Conning Tower: An enhanced conning tower that began replacing the early war version in mid 1942, it had the aft bridge deck fairwater removed to reduce it's silouhette, while retaining the single light AA platform.

Late-war Conning Tower: A more slim conning tower that had the bridge fairwater completely cut down to reduce it's surface silouhette. A forward AA platform was installed that could mount a single 20 mm or dual 20 mm AA guns, the aft mount was upgraded to hold the heavier 40 mm AA gun. It began appearing in the last month of 1942.

"Elite" Conning Tower: An alternate version of the Late-war conning tower, it began appearing in the last month of 1942 as well. Further reduction was done to the bridge conning tower and both AA mounts were capable of mounting 40 mm AA guns.

Porpoise

Early-war Conning Tower: The standard conning tower used on the Porpoise class at the beginning of the war, includes a single AA mounting capable of mounting either a single 20 mm AA gun or dual 20 mm AA guns.

Mid-war Conning Tower: A standard half-cut conning tower, otherwise identical to the earlier conning tower. This conning tower was seen from July of 1942 till the end of the war, it was never completely phased out.

Late-war Conning Tower: Similar to the mid-war tower, this one added a second AA platform capable of mounting a single 20 mm AA gun or dual 20 mm AA guns. It appeared at the end of 1942, and was standard equipment on most subs for the remainder of the war.

Balao

Mid-war Conning Tower: When the Balao class entered service in 1943, this was the standard conning tower used on the class. It included fore and aft AA platforms, each capable of mounting single 40 mm AA guns or dual 40 mm AA guns.

MS 32/3SS-B Conning Tower: Identical to the standard conning tower, it was simply a new paint job to match the rest of the sub. (Data file is a bit unclear as to what this is, stating only "A new paint scheme was applied to your submarine: MS 32/3SS-B", and I have no idea what that means. Some clarification here would be great, I vaguely recall it being painted black from another post on the forum?)

S-18/S-42

Early-war Conning Tower: Standard S-class tower, used before the war and once the war started, it lacked any kind of AA mounting and was extremely vulnerable to air attack while surfaced.

Mid-war Conning Tower: Realizing the vulnerablity in having no defense against air attacks while surfaced, this tower was developed in early 1942 to replace the old. It added a single light AA mount, capable of mounting either a single 20 mm AA gun or dual 20mm AA guns.

Late-war Conning Tower: Appearing near the end of 1942, it had the fairwater bridge cutdown to decrease it's silouhette while surfaced, it retained the single light AA mounting of the earlier conning tower.

Salmon

Early-war Conning Tower: The conning tower used on the Salmon class at the onset of the war, it featured a single aft AA gun mounting, capable of mounting either a single 20 mm AA gun or dual 20 mm AA guns.

Late-war Conning Tower: A cut down conning tower, with an addtional fore AA gun mount capable of mounting 20 mm AA guns, it became available at the end of 1942 and was used for the remainder of the war on most Salmon class subs.

Sargo

Early-war Conning Tower: Similiar in design of the Salmon class early war tower in many regards, it featured only a single aft light AA mount, capable of mounting either a single or dual 20 mm AA guns.

Mid-war Conning Tower: The conning tower was cut down partially to reduce surface silouhette, otherwise identical to the early war tower.

Late-war Conning Tower: The conning tower was further cut down to reduce it's silouhette and an additional 20 mm light AA gun was added for further protection from air attacks. It appeared in late 1942 and was seen on the majority of boats through the end of the war.

Tambor

Early-war Conning Tower: The basic conning tower for the Tambor class, it had a single aft mounted AA platform that could mount either single or dual 20 mm AA guns.

Mid-war Conning Tower: A half cut conning tower that began showing up in the later half of 1942, the AA armament was unchanged.

Late-war Conning Tower: This tower was completely cut down, again to reduce the silouhette when surfaced, and a forward AA platform was installed. The aft AA platform was also upgraded. Both forward and aft mountings could accomodate the heavier 40 mm AA guns, either in single or dual configuration. The conning tower appeared at the end of 1942.

SteamWake · 07-06-07, 08:02 PM

I havent seen this before.

Nicely done and helpfull too.

Excalibur Bane · 07-06-07, 10:32 PM

I added the various Gato conning towers. I will add the rest later. There was text in the file to accompany the upgrades, I added a bit on to it. Not sure if it's accurate.

Some inconsistancies in the data. The Late War and the Elite are both available on December 1st, 1942. Error or intentional? Maybe the Elite one is something you get if you sink a certain amount of tonnage? I dunno, just guessing.

Anyone who has the Elite conning that can confirm when it was upgraded?

EDIT: I love some of the stuff they left in here.

;Type= Crewman ;for crewmember slots, which work and get poor pay

; FunctionalType= EqFTypeIceCreamMachine
; FunctionalType= UpFTypeIceCream

Excalibur Bane · 07-07-07, 02:25 PM

I've added the rest of the conning tower upgrades for every sub. You know, I could really use a little assistance in clarifying precisely how the conning tower upgrades work and confirmation that all my data is correct. If it's not correct, it's not doing anyone any good. I'm not a programmer and definately not that great with variables and what not. I've only taken the data I found for descriptions, I'm not that famliar with subs in the Pacific, so historic info would be appreciated as well.

The idea in posting this list was to have it for reference, since the game doesn't have an ingame tech tree like SH3 did. I've been using mods from here since SH3 and I thought it would be nice if I could give a little something back to the community by posting this list, apparently I was wrong. Over 100 views and only a single comment? Real sense of community around here guys.

tedhealy · 07-07-07, 02:33 PM

I've had my gato conning tower upgraded before. It just happened with a text message saying the boat was upgraded. I had no choice in the matter.

Excalibur Bane · 07-07-07, 02:53 PM

Thank you. Updated.

Nexis · 05-30-15, 12:16 PM

That was exactly what i looked for very long time, thank you much

Google is sometimes a Jungle with informations which i do not want to know.

fithah4 · 05-30-15, 01:39 PM

Although this thread has not been used for 8 ,eight, 8 years most of these mods will have conflicts with the sh4 1.4 version and most definitely with U Boat expansion 1.5 version!
This is a list to pan over of current mods and tech help.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155786

Hope this helps you.

Fithah4

fireftr18 · 05-30-15, 04:59 PM

Thank you for your hard work.

Nexis · 05-30-15, 05:02 PM

Your (Link) is just exactly what i have not searched for.

I searched for a List, at which Ingame-Date which Stock-Upgrade is available.
So that i know when i should dock at a Haven to equip a new submarine-upgrade

I modded my game not much:
- BetterRealistic Flooting lite
- BetterRealistic HP Balance
- Accurate Flag Mod

That is all

But thx nevertheless

TorpX · 05-30-15, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexis

I modded my game not much:
- BetterRealistic Flooting lite
- BetterRealistic HP Balance
- Accurate Flag Mod

That is all

It is up to you, but if you are devoted to the game enough to mod it, you should at least try some of the mega-mods here at Subsim.

Many issues have been fixed, or at least improved.

SSI01 · 06-01-15, 08:07 AM

Thanks for reawakening this thread, which is extremely interesting. As time permits I'm going to review the mods list and see what can be included anew.

07-06-07, 07:23 PM	#1
Excalibur Bane XO Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 429 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Sub Upgrades Availablity List I'm not sure if anyone has made a rough tech tree yet, as I didn't see one in the stickies but here is one I made after looking at the data files. I didn't list the 50 cals as they aren't enabled, I'm still not sure which conning tower variations can handle which kind of deckguns and which subs can handle Bow and/or Stern mountings, that aren't currently bugged. Not sure if everything is working correctly or if I got it right, but here it is anyway. Radar Upgrades SD Radar Available on 1942-12-01, for 500 Renown. Renown reduction on 1942-02-02 to 100 Renown. Free upgrade on 1942-04-02 onwards. Improved SD Radar Available on 1942-06-01, for 500 Renown. Renown reduction on 1942-08-02, to 100 Renown. Free upgrade on 1943-01-02 onwards. SV Radar Available from 1945-06-01, for 1500 Renown. SJ Radar Available on 1942-07-01, for 500 Renown. Renown reduction on 1942-10-02, to 100 Renown. Free upgrade from 1943-04-02 onwards. SJ-1 Radar Available on 1943-07-01, for 500 Renown. Renown reduction from 1943-12-24, to 100 Renown Free upgrade from 1944-03-06 onwards. ST Radar Available from 1944-07-01, for 3,000 Renown. Renown reduction from 1945-01-01 onwards. Flakgun Upgrades Single 20mm AA Machine Gun Always available as a free upgrade. Twin 20mm AA Machine Gun Available on start of war for 100 Renown. Free upgrade from 1942-05-02 onwards. 40mm AA Machine Gun Available on 1942-10-08, for 1,000 Renown. Renown reduction from 1943-04-05 onwards, to 150 Renown. Twin 40mm AA Machine Gun Available from 1944-05-08 onwards for 1,000 Renown. Deck Guns NOTE: All 3 inch/50 cal and 4 inch/50 cal are available from the start of the war for 400 Renown and then reduced to 150 Renown on 1944-09-02. Only Balao, Gar, Gato and Tambor class boats can mount 5 inch guns. S-class boats can only mount a bow deckgun. 5 inch/25 cal Deck Gun (Bow and Stern Mountings) Available on 1944-03-28, for 800 Renown. Renown reduction from 1944-09-02 to end of war, to 300 Renown. Dual 5 inch/25 cal Deck Guns (Bow and Stern) Available from 1945-01-01 to end of war for 2000 Renown. Advanced Torpedoes Mark 16 Torpedo Available on 1945-01-01 onwards for 400 Renown. Mark 18 Torpedo Available on 1943-07-12, for 500 Renown each. Renown reduction on 1944-01-16, to 200 Renown each. Free loadout from 1944-09-01 to end of war. Mark 23 Torpedo Available on 1943-01-01, for 100 Renown each. Reduction from 1944-01-06 to end of war, free loadout. Mark 27 Torpedo Available from 1944-01-01 to end of war, for 500 Renown each. Conning Tower Upgrades NOTE: Conning Tower upgrades are automatic, with a simple message telling you that your sub has been upgraded. Gato Early-war Conning Tower: Your basic Gato conning tower used on all Gatos at the start of the war until they were phased out completely by the end of 1942, includes a single AA platform that could mount either a single or dual 20 mm AA guns. Mid-war Conning Tower: An enhanced conning tower that began replacing the early war version in mid 1942, it had the aft bridge deck fairwater removed to reduce it's silouhette, while retaining the single light AA platform. Late-war Conning Tower: A more slim conning tower that had the bridge fairwater completely cut down to reduce it's surface silouhette. A forward AA platform was installed that could mount a single 20 mm or dual 20 mm AA guns, the aft mount was upgraded to hold the heavier 40 mm AA gun. It began appearing in the last month of 1942. "Elite" Conning Tower: An alternate version of the Late-war conning tower, it began appearing in the last month of 1942 as well. Further reduction was done to the bridge conning tower and both AA mounts were capable of mounting 40 mm AA guns. Porpoise Early-war Conning Tower: The standard conning tower used on the Porpoise class at the beginning of the war, includes a single AA mounting capable of mounting either a single 20 mm AA gun or dual 20 mm AA guns. Mid-war Conning Tower: A standard half-cut conning tower, otherwise identical to the earlier conning tower. This conning tower was seen from July of 1942 till the end of the war, it was never completely phased out. Late-war Conning Tower: Similar to the mid-war tower, this one added a second AA platform capable of mounting a single 20 mm AA gun or dual 20 mm AA guns. It appeared at the end of 1942, and was standard equipment on most subs for the remainder of the war. Balao Mid-war Conning Tower: When the Balao class entered service in 1943, this was the standard conning tower used on the class. It included fore and aft AA platforms, each capable of mounting single 40 mm AA guns or dual 40 mm AA guns. MS 32/3SS-B Conning Tower: Identical to the standard conning tower, it was simply a new paint job to match the rest of the sub. (Data file is a bit unclear as to what this is, stating only "A new paint scheme was applied to your submarine: MS 32/3SS-B", and I have no idea what that means. Some clarification here would be great, I vaguely recall it being painted black from another post on the forum?) S-18/S-42 Early-war Conning Tower: Standard S-class tower, used before the war and once the war started, it lacked any kind of AA mounting and was extremely vulnerable to air attack while surfaced. Mid-war Conning Tower: Realizing the vulnerablity in having no defense against air attacks while surfaced, this tower was developed in early 1942 to replace the old. It added a single light AA mount, capable of mounting either a single 20 mm AA gun or dual 20mm AA guns. Late-war Conning Tower: Appearing near the end of 1942, it had the fairwater bridge cutdown to decrease it's silouhette while surfaced, it retained the single light AA mounting of the earlier conning tower. Salmon Early-war Conning Tower: The conning tower used on the Salmon class at the onset of the war, it featured a single aft AA gun mounting, capable of mounting either a single 20 mm AA gun or dual 20 mm AA guns. Late-war Conning Tower: A cut down conning tower, with an addtional fore AA gun mount capable of mounting 20 mm AA guns, it became available at the end of 1942 and was used for the remainder of the war on most Salmon class subs. Sargo Early-war Conning Tower: Similiar in design of the Salmon class early war tower in many regards, it featured only a single aft light AA mount, capable of mounting either a single or dual 20 mm AA guns. Mid-war Conning Tower: The conning tower was cut down partially to reduce surface silouhette, otherwise identical to the early war tower. Late-war Conning Tower: The conning tower was further cut down to reduce it's silouhette and an additional 20 mm light AA gun was added for further protection from air attacks. It appeared in late 1942 and was seen on the majority of boats through the end of the war. Tambor Early-war Conning Tower: The basic conning tower for the Tambor class, it had a single aft mounted AA platform that could mount either single or dual 20 mm AA guns. Mid-war Conning Tower: A half cut conning tower that began showing up in the later half of 1942, the AA armament was unchanged. Late-war Conning Tower: This tower was completely cut down, again to reduce the silouhette when surfaced, and a forward AA platform was installed. The aft AA platform was also upgraded. Both forward and aft mountings could accomodate the heavier 40 mm AA guns, either in single or dual configuration. The conning tower appeared at the end of 1942. __________________ Looking for a list of mods for SH4? Everything you need is here: List Of Modifications for SH4 v1.3 "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." Last edited by Excalibur Bane; 07-08-07 at 12:13 AM. Reason: Typos and more typos. Mmm. Fun.

07-06-07, 10:32 PM	#3
Excalibur Bane XO Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 429 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I added the various Gato conning towers. I will add the rest later. There was text in the file to accompany the upgrades, I added a bit on to it. Not sure if it's accurate. Some inconsistancies in the data. The Late War and the Elite are both available on December 1st, 1942. Error or intentional? Maybe the Elite one is something you get if you sink a certain amount of tonnage? I dunno, just guessing. Anyone who has the Elite conning that can confirm when it was upgraded? EDIT: I love some of the stuff they left in here. ;Type= Crewman ;for crewmember slots, which work and get poor pay ; FunctionalType= EqFTypeIceCreamMachine ; FunctionalType= UpFTypeIceCream __________________ Looking for a list of mods for SH4? Everything you need is here: List Of Modifications for SH4 v1.3 "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." Last edited by Excalibur Bane; 07-06-07 at 10:53 PM.

07-07-07, 02:25 PM	#4
Excalibur Bane XO Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 429 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I've added the rest of the conning tower upgrades for every sub. You know, I could really use a little assistance in clarifying precisely how the conning tower upgrades work and confirmation that all my data is correct. If it's not correct, it's not doing anyone any good. I'm not a programmer and definately not that great with variables and what not. I've only taken the data I found for descriptions, I'm not that famliar with subs in the Pacific, so historic info would be appreciated as well. The idea in posting this list was to have it for reference, since the game doesn't have an ingame tech tree like SH3 did. I've been using mods from here since SH3 and I thought it would be nice if I could give a little something back to the community by posting this list, apparently I was wrong. Over 100 views and only a single comment? Real sense of community around here guys. __________________ Looking for a list of mods for SH4? Everything you need is here: List Of Modifications for SH4 v1.3 "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing."

07-07-07, 02:53 PM	#6
Excalibur Bane XO Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 429 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Thank you. Updated. __________________ Looking for a list of mods for SH4? Everything you need is here: List Of Modifications for SH4 v1.3 "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing."

05-30-15, 01:39 PM	#8
fithah4 Torpedoman Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 116 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	Sorry I have to interject here! Although this thread has not been used for 8 ,eight, 8 years most of these mods will have conflicts with the sh4 1.4 version and most definitely with U Boat expansion 1.5 version! This is a list to pan over of current mods and tech help. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155786 Hope this helps you. Fithah4

07-06-07, 08:02 PM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I havent seen this before. Nicely done and helpfull too.

07-07-07, 02:33 PM	#5
tedhealy Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA Posts: 772 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I've had my gato conning tower upgraded before. It just happened with a text message saying the boat was upgraded. I had no choice in the matter.

05-30-15, 12:16 PM	#7
Nexis Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 7 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	That was exactly what i looked for very long time, thank you much Google is sometimes a Jungle with informations which i do not want to know.

05-30-15, 04:59 PM	#9
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Thank you for your hard work. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

05-30-15, 05:02 PM	#10
Nexis Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 7 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Your (Link) is just exactly what i have not searched for. I searched for a List, at which Ingame-Date which Stock-Upgrade is available. So that i know when i should dock at a Haven to equip a new submarine-upgrade I modded my game not much: - BetterRealistic Flooting lite - BetterRealistic HP Balance - Accurate Flag Mod That is all But thx nevertheless

06-01-15, 08:07 AM	#12
SSI01 Loader Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 88 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	Thanks for reawakening this thread, which is extremely interesting. As time permits I'm going to review the mods list and see what can be included anew.