Schumacher in hospital

Oberon · 12-29-13, 05:23 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25545993

It sounds more serious than I expected when the news first broke this morning that he had had a skiing accident, the latest word is that he is in a coma and in 'critical condition'.

Love him or hate him, he is an excellent F1 driver, and I wish him all the best for a speedy recovery.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 12-29-13, 06:02 PM

Get well soon former Stig!

Herr-Berbunch · 12-29-13, 07:23 PM

Indeed, get well soon.

I loved Schumy's domination, a proper driver as his seven titles in F1 and ROC prove.

Jimbuna · 12-31-13, 05:34 AM

A ray of hope...his condition may be showing signs of improvement

Quote:

German motor-racing champion Michael Schumacher's condition has improved slightly after an operation to relieve pressure on his brain, his doctors have said.

A new scan taken overnight showed signs that his condition was "better than yesterday", but he is still "not out of danger", doctors said.

The seven-time Formula 1 champion suffered head injuries on Sunday in a skiing accident in the French Alps.

He was put in a medically-induced coma.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25558709

Skybird · 12-31-13, 06:06 AM

Multiple brain traumata and dual-hemispheric injuries like his very often are followed by permanent personality changes and cognitive or intellectual handicaps. It is to be hoped but is in question that even if he survives and wakes up he will ever be the same old guy again.

An interesting German article on his role for improving security in F1, and his serious concern for "safety first" in general . Some people accuse him of always trying to push it beyond the envelope, which could not be further from the truth. To the limit, yes - but always staying within the limit, in order to survive - his own words. No F1 pilot has so consequently lobbied for better security in formula one, than he did.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/for...-12732211.html

Doctors say his helmet which broke into three parts indicates a speed of 40-60 km/h when the crash occured. That sounds like madness. But one should know, says the article, that speed scanners on ski tracks record even children via laser barriers with speeds up to 80 km/h, thanks to the new technology and materials in ski equipment.

I cannot imagine that Schumacher raced like a maniac when the accident occured, even less so when having his 14 year old son with him. He just had a tragic accident like it is happening several thousand times per season to any ordinary skiing person in the alpes. Bad luck.

Quote:

„Es kann jederzeit ein Missgeschick passieren“, hatte Schumacher in einem F.A.Z.-Interview im Jahr 2000 gesagt und sich festgelegt: „Ich liebe Sportarten, die einen gewissen Reiz bieten, wo das Risiko einschätzbar ist. Wenn es dann trotzdem passiert, dann passiert es. Davor kann man sich nicht schützen. Das ist mein Standpunkt. Mein Lebensweg ist vorgeschrieben. Wenn der enden soll, dann endet er, wo auch immer.“

"At any time something bad can happen", said Schumacher in an interview with the FAZ in 2000, and further: "I love sports that have a certain excitement but where risk still can be calculated. But if it nevertheless happens then, then it happens. You cannot protect yourself from that. That's my view of it. My life is predetermined. If it ends, then it ends, where ever that happens."

Schroeder · 12-31-13, 06:22 AM

I hope he recovers though the chances are slim that he'll ever be the same again.

Strange how much this affects me... I've not even been much of a Schumi fan for the last couple of years but I was in the 90ies in my early to mid teenage years.
Maybe it's because I can relate to what the family is going through as my father was also comatose after a stroke and all we could do was to wait for what seemed to be an eternity (6 or 7 days) until we finally had certainty that he wouldn't wake up again. We didn't have a happy end back then so let's hope that this case turns out better.

Jimbuna · 01-01-14, 06:37 AM

One more small step in the right direction:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25566612

Skybird · 01-01-14, 07:33 AM

Maybe he is charging his physiological KERS.

Skybird · 01-02-14, 02:44 PM

He STILL lies in artifical coma. That they do this I fear is a bad sign for his chances to ever regain full brain functionality. Today they also said, that they hope that tomorrow the pressure on his brain will "stop to rise". Which means it was rising all the time during the past three days, if taking the formulation literally.

I am no doctor, and as psychology students 25 years ago our teaching on neurological implications of brain and nervous system injuries and intoxications was not as complete as that of medical students, but rather basic only. But if I put together the few remaining memories of those courses, then I conclude that the chances that he will ever regain full neurological health, are extremely low by now.

No "physiological KERS charging" then. Sad to say so. I mean the chances are not nill. But they are very bad.

Jimbuna · 01-02-14, 03:22 PM

Fingers crossed for the best recovery possible

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 01-17-14, 01:59 AM

Looks like Schumacher's chances aren't as good as previously hoped. http://msn.foxsports.com/buzzer/stor...ula-one-011614

Jimbuna · 01-17-14, 06:01 AM

That could mean his wife and family eventually having to make a seriously important decision.

Herr-Berbunch · 01-17-14, 06:20 AM

Why quote the Daily Fail from Bild and not just quote Bild itself? Or did Bild not run with that article for whatever reason? Excellent journalism.

Skybird · 01-17-14, 06:26 AM

Bild does not publish an English edition for international audience, only the German edition.

It's a good habit to quote the source who were the first in English, and then the original source that the first bases upon.

These are speculations by doctors not attached to the treatment of Schumacher. However, as I said earlier, it is unlikely that he will be the same again if he would wake up. I think his chances are grim. Question will be whether he is survivable, physically, if the machines would not be there and the artificial coma treatment would be ended, or not. This is what his family now has to consider, and it also bases on how much they trust what the doctors are telling them.

Tango589 · 01-30-14, 10:22 AM

UPDATE: Schumacher is slowly being bought out of his induced coma, so now it's a waiting game so see what the effects are. Good luck Michael.

12-29-13, 05:23 PM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Schumacher in hospital http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25545993 It sounds more serious than I expected when the news first broke this morning that he had had a skiing accident, the latest word is that he is in a coma and in 'critical condition'. Love him or hate him, he is an excellent F1 driver, and I wish him all the best for a speedy recovery.

12-29-13, 06:02 PM	#2
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,279 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Get well soon former Stig! __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

12-29-13, 07:23 PM	#3
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Indeed, get well soon. I loved Schumy's domination, a proper driver as his seven titles in F1 and ROC prove. __________________

12-31-13, 06:22 AM	#6
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I hope he recovers though the chances are slim that he'll ever be the same again. Strange how much this affects me... I've not even been much of a Schumi fan for the last couple of years but I was in the 90ies in my early to mid teenage years. Maybe it's because I can relate to what the family is going through as my father was also comatose after a stroke and all we could do was to wait for what seemed to be an eternity (6 or 7 days) until we finally had certainty that he wouldn't wake up again. We didn't have a happy end back then so let's hope that this case turns out better. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

01-01-14, 06:37 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	One more small step in the right direction: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25566612 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-01-14, 07:33 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,611 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Maybe he is charging his physiological KERS. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-02-14, 02:44 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,611 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	He STILL lies in artifical coma. That they do this I fear is a bad sign for his chances to ever regain full brain functionality. Today they also said, that they hope that tomorrow the pressure on his brain will "stop to rise". Which means it was rising all the time during the past three days, if taking the formulation literally. I am no doctor, and as psychology students 25 years ago our teaching on neurological implications of brain and nervous system injuries and intoxications was not as complete as that of medical students, but rather basic only. But if I put together the few remaining memories of those courses, then I conclude that the chances that he will ever regain full neurological health, are extremely low by now. No "physiological KERS charging" then. Sad to say so. I mean the chances are not nill. But they are very bad. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-02-14, 03:22 PM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Fingers crossed for the best recovery possible __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-17-14, 01:59 AM	#11
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,279 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Schumacher's chances still in doubt. Looks like Schumacher's chances aren't as good as previously hoped. http://msn.foxsports.com/buzzer/stor...ula-one-011614 __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

01-17-14, 06:01 AM	#12
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	That could mean his wife and family eventually having to make a seriously important decision. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-17-14, 06:20 AM	#13
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Why quote the Daily Fail from Bild and not just quote Bild itself? Or did Bild not run with that article for whatever reason? Excellent journalism. __________________

01-17-14, 06:26 AM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,611 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Bild does not publish an English edition for international audience, only the German edition. It's a good habit to quote the source who were the first in English, and then the original source that the first bases upon. These are speculations by doctors not attached to the treatment of Schumacher. However, as I said earlier, it is unlikely that he will be the same again if he would wake up. I think his chances are grim. Question will be whether he is survivable, physically, if the machines would not be there and the artificial coma treatment would be ended, or not. This is what his family now has to consider, and it also bases on how much they trust what the doctors are telling them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-30-14, 10:22 AM	#15
Tango589 Still crazy as ever! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: A little south of sanity Posts: 3,375 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 1	UPDATE: Schumacher is slowly being bought out of his induced coma, so now it's a waiting game so see what the effects are. Good luck Michael. __________________ Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way...