Handwriting Shock

CTU_Clay · 02-21-18, 11:58 AM

The other day I was gifted to go to a friend's daughter's 16th birthday party. As she was opening gifts and cards with "gift cards" or cash enclosed, I seen her lean over to her mother and ask her to read one of the cards to the guests of the party. The birthday girl commented to all that she could not read handwriting as she was never taught handwriting in school. We live in Texas USA.

I guess I am just a 77 year-old "old fart" with old thoughts of things we always will need in daily adult life such as:
Signing official documents like drivers license, marriage licenses, personal checks, wills, testimonials, and the list goes on.

Mind puzzling............

Eichhörnchen · 02-21-18, 01:58 PM

It's a wonder they even know how to open a bloody envelope...

vienna · 02-21-18, 02:42 PM

What's an envelope?...

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mapuc · 02-21-18, 03:24 PM

I'm from the old school too.

I have learned to write in cursive and normal handwriting
I have also learned to read these type of writings.

There is one handwriting types I never have learned to read and that is the type of handwriting my Grandma used

I think my mom said it was gothic handwriting.

Markus

HW3 · 02-21-18, 03:26 PM

Does not surprise me, they have been trying to do away with cursive writing in schools in the U.S. for years. I guess one day we will be going back to making an X for your signature. It is more likely that by not teaching cursive reading and writing, the students will be unable to read our founding documents, will not know what they really say, and will be better able to be controlled by a corrupt government.

vienna · 02-21-18, 03:44 PM

Not likely, since those documents already exist in printed and electronic formats of all kinds...

The real question will be not if they can read them, but will they read them...

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Aktungbby · 02-21-18, 03:52 PM

MY QUESTION IS IF THEY DO NOT TEACH 'CURSIVE' HANDWRITNG... WHAT DOES OR WILL A LEGAL SIGNATURE LOOK LIKE....SUCH AS A TAX RETURN, DRIVER LICENSE, CREDIT CARD OR 'BINDING' DOCUMENT ETC! IT CAN BE VITAL AS I CHALLENGED A SECOND WILL ATTEMPT SUCCESSFULLY BECAUSE I'D NEVER SEEN MY FATHER'S DISTINCTIVE SIGNATURE- ON A SECOND WILL THAT APPEARED AFTER HIS DEATH- LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE ONE ON THAT SECOND DOCUMENT: THE OBVIOUSLY PERIPATETIC SCRIBBLE OF A (BY THEN) DEMENTED MAN.

Peter Cremer · 02-21-18, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I'm from the old school too.

There is one handwriting types I never have learned to read and that is the type of handwriting my Grandma used

I think my mom said it was gothic handwriting.

Markus

About 35 years ago I saw some letters that were written by a woman in Pennsylvania at the beginning of the 20th century. I think it was called something like "cross writing". It was used to save paper. First you write a letter on a page as you normally would, then to continue the letter you turn the page 90 degrees and write across what you have already written. It saved paper but was very difficult to read.

vienna · 02-21-18, 04:21 PM

That is a very good point, but I would say my signature from 25 years ago looks nothing like my signature now, and my signature from 50 years ago looks like neither of the others. As people age, they tend to see changes in their handwriting and signatures. The only practical means of verification would be to make a comparison with several other specimens from contemporaneous documents...

As far as future signatures, most likely, for the foreseeable time, signatures will be electronic; we've all seen the little signature pads on all sorts of devices where either with a stylus or a finger, you sign for whatever the transaction is: a package, a purchase, verifying identity, etc. Sometime in the farther future, we will probably rely on biometrics: fingerprint or iris scans, voice or facial recognition, or some combination of these...

The Japanese have used a form of ink stamp called a Hanko since the time of Christ; it consists of a small block of wood or other solid material carved on one end with characters giving the name, and sometimes, the position, of the bearer; the Hanko is used by pressing the carved end onto an ink block and then pressed onto the document as a signature...

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mapuc · 02-21-18, 05:45 PM

Another thing

A persons personally signatur is lighter different from time to time.

I saw a documentary about this.

An expert in handwriting said a person's signatur could change from one month to the next.

Mostly it is about 99.99 % same each time.

Markus

Aktungbby · 02-21-18, 06:02 PM

^ OF COURSE THE ART OF THE SIGNATURE STEMS FROM A SINGLE SOURCE AND I ALWAYS USE MY BEST PENMANSHIP AND DO IT REEEEEEAL SLOW

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Actually after he signed the Declaration he exclaimed, “There! John Bull can read my name without spectacles and may now double his reward of £500 for my head. That is my defiance.”

WHEN YOU SIGN YOUR NAME: SUCH AS COUNTLESS APPRAISAL DOCUMENTS OR EVEN YOUR LEGALLY BINDING TRUCK LOG-SHEETS (SPEEDING TICKETS CAN BE ISSUED)

OR A POLICE WITNESS REPORT, YOUR WORD, REPUTATION, THE CHECKS YOU WRITE, OR THE QUALITY OF THE WORK YOU ARE ATTESTING TO IS AT STAKE AND YOUR JOHN HANCOCK OUGHT TO REFLECT THAT-NO HASTY SCRAWL IS PERMISSABLE IMHO AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, MAKE SURE IT TILTS RIGHT; I WON'T GIVE THE TIME'O DAY TO ANYONE WHO'S WRITING TILTS LEFT....THEY'RE NUTS!

http://www.writechoice.co.in/writechoice/2011/09/handwriting-slant-reveals-why-some-people-always-appear-cold-emotionless/

Reece · 02-21-18, 06:19 PM

I wonder if anyone uses shorthand any more?

razark · 02-21-18, 06:39 PM

Signatures? Pshaw!
I've got my sealing wax and stamp! I don't need no signature.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vienna

What's an envelope?...

I think it's the icon that shows up when you get email.

vienna · 02-21-18, 06:58 PM

What's "email"...

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August · 02-21-18, 09:55 PM

Maybe they can't understand cursive but i'll bet they can type like the blazes.

02-21-18, 11:58 AM	#1
CTU_Clay The Lone Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bellville, TX 77418 Posts: 711 Downloads: 315 Uploads: 0	Handwriting Shock The other day I was gifted to go to a friend's daughter's 16th birthday party. As she was opening gifts and cards with "gift cards" or cash enclosed, I seen her lean over to her mother and ask her to read one of the cards to the guests of the party. The birthday girl commented to all that she could not read handwriting as she was never taught handwriting in school. We live in Texas USA. I guess I am just a 77 year-old "old fart" with old thoughts of things we always will need in daily adult life such as: Signing official documents like drivers license, marriage licenses, personal checks, wills, testimonials, and the list goes on. Mind puzzling............ __________________ "The Lone Wolf"] https://steelsharksforum.proboards.com/ *“Keep your eyes on the stars, and your feet on the ground.” .*

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vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	What's an envelope?... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

02-21-18, 03:26 PM	#5
HW3 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 6,574 Downloads: 458 Uploads: 0	Does not surprise me, they have been trying to do away with cursive writing in schools in the U.S. for years. I guess one day we will be going back to making an X for your signature. It is more likely that by not teaching cursive reading and writing, the students will be unable to read our founding documents, will not know what they really say, and will be better able to be controlled by a corrupt government. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink...others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

02-21-18, 03:44 PM	#6
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Not likely, since those documents already exist in printed and electronic formats of all kinds... The real question will be not if they can read them, but will they read them... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

02-21-18, 03:24 PM	#4
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I'm from the old school too. I have learned to write in cursive and normal handwriting I have also learned to read these type of writings. There is one handwriting types I never have learned to read and that is the type of handwriting my Grandma used I think my mom said it was gothic handwriting. Markus

02-21-18, 03:52 PM	#7
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 29,981 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	MY QUESTION IS IF THEY DO NOT TEACH 'CURSIVE' HANDWRITNG... WHAT DOES OR WILL A LEGAL SIGNATURE LOOK LIKE....SUCH AS A TAX RETURN, DRIVER LICENSE, CREDIT CARD OR 'BINDING' DOCUMENT ETC! IT CAN BE VITAL AS I CHALLENGED A SECOND WILL ATTEMPT SUCCESSFULLY BECAUSE I'D NEVER SEEN MY FATHER'S DISTINCTIVE SIGNATURE- ON A SECOND WILL THAT APPEARED AFTER HIS DEATH- LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE ONE ON THAT SECOND DOCUMENT: THE OBVIOUSLY PERIPATETIC SCRIBBLE OF A (BY THEN) DEMENTED MAN. __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

02-21-18, 04:21 PM	#9
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	That is a very good point, but I would say my signature from 25 years ago looks nothing like my signature now, and my signature from 50 years ago looks like neither of the others. As people age, they tend to see changes in their handwriting and signatures. The only practical means of verification would be to make a comparison with several other specimens from contemporaneous documents... As far as future signatures, most likely, for the foreseeable time, signatures will be electronic; we've all seen the little signature pads on all sorts of devices where either with a stylus or a finger, you sign for whatever the transaction is: a package, a purchase, verifying identity, etc. Sometime in the farther future, we will probably rely on biometrics: fingerprint or iris scans, voice or facial recognition, or some combination of these... The Japanese have used a form of ink stamp called a Hanko since the time of Christ; it consists of a small block of wood or other solid material carved on one end with characters giving the name, and sometimes, the position, of the bearer; the Hanko is used by pressing the carved end onto an ink block and then pressed onto the document as a signature... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

02-21-18, 05:45 PM	#10
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Another thing A persons personally signatur is lighter different from time to time. I saw a documentary about this. An expert in handwriting said a person's signatur could change from one month to the next. Mostly it is about 99.99 % same each time. Markus

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Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,688 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	I wonder if anyone uses shorthand any more? __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

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02-21-18, 09:55 PM	#15
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Maybe they can't understand cursive but i'll bet they can type like the blazes. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.