Torpedoes in Falklands / Malvinas 1982

Marcantilan · 08-07-13, 08:06 AM

Well,

Ended an essay about submarine weapons (torpedoes an Royal Navy SubHarpoons) in the 1982 conflict.

It is here (in Spanish, but Google translator does miracles): http://www.elsnorkel.com/2013/08/lis...ubmarinas.html

The article is not short, but in a nutshell, the info is here:

In my opinion, torpedoes in the Falklands War / Guerra de Malvinas had the same problems they had in the beginning of both world wars: inmature technology.

Regards!

Herr-Berbunch · 08-07-13, 08:37 AM

I'm just about ¾ way through Harry Benson's SCRAM!, about the UK helicopter force at that time. Seems the problem was not just torpedoes but most missile systems of the day had a great failure rate.

An interesting read, thanks for writing and sharing.

Jimbuna · 08-07-13, 09:16 AM

I'm looking forward to translating your article.

The commander of Conqueror had more faith in WWII era technology because there was less that could go wrong and you got more 'bang for the buck' plus the fact the MK24 Tigerfish homing torpedo had never previously been used extensively in training.

As for missiles, the software problems of the Sea Wolf system were never ironed out till years after the Falklands conflict.

If anyone knows any serviceman that were aboard Sea Cat equipped vessels, ask them if the missile ever recorded an acceptable level of hits during its service career.

Some may even say it never hit anything but personally I think that is a bit harsh because One confirmed "kill" of an Argentine aircraft is directly attributed to this missile from over 80 launches, when on the 25 May HMS Yarmouth shot down an A-4C Skyhawk (C-319) flown by Teniente Tomás Lucero.

Herr-Berbunch · 08-07-13, 10:05 AM

Also enjoyed your Soviéticos en Malvinas article.

Marcantilan · 08-07-13, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm looking forward to translating your article.

The commander of Conqueror had more faith in WWII era technology because there was less that could go wrong and you got more 'bang for the buck' plus the fact the MK24 Tigerfish homing torpedo had never previously been used extensively in training.

It looks like they were afraid of the Tigerfish.

Anyway, a real combat situation is not time for a loose weapon looking for a target...less for a circular run

Oberon · 08-07-13, 06:14 PM

Goes to show how lucky we were that the San Luis had her torpedo defect, considering how many resources we put into trying to track her and her sister boat down, it gives you an insight into how worried the RN were about the SSKs. It could have been a game changer. Fortunes of war and all that.

Fantastic research Marcantilan, and very well displayed.

Wreford-Brown · 08-08-13, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

It looks like they were afraid of the Tigerfish.

Anyway, a real combat situation is not time for a loose weapon looking for a target...less for a circular run

I've read 'Clear the Bridge!' about the USS Tang - sunk by one of her own torpedoes...

Marcantilan · 01-20-14, 02:49 PM

Link (German)

Auftauchen! (the magazine of the German Submariners Association) published part of the article on its current (January / February 2014) issue.

The second part, on the next issue.

Regards!

Marcantilan · 08-07-13, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

I'm just about ¾ way through Harry Benson's SCRAM!, about the UK helicopter force at that time. Seems the problem was not just torpedoes but most missile systems of the day had a great failure rate.

An interesting read, thanks for writing and sharing.

Thanks!

SCRAM! is a good read. I am going to start Down South (more Fleet Air Arm helos) in the following days.

Jimbuna · 08-08-13, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

Thanks!

SCRAM! is a good read. I am going to start Down South (more Fleet Air Arm helos) in the following days.

Have you read Secrets of the Conqueror?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secrets-Conq...+the+conqueror

Marcantilan · 08-08-13, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Have you read Secrets of the Conqueror?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secrets-Conq...+the+conqueror

Yes, bought it as soon was published. A very interesting book.

That book, Sink the Belgrano and a chapter in "We Come Unseen" are, today, THE books about British submarines and the war.

Regards!

Jimbuna · 08-08-13, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

Yes, bought it as soon was published. A very interesting book.

That book, Sink the Belgrano and a chapter in "We Come Unseen" are, today, THE books about British submarines and the war.

Regards!

Agreed

08-07-13, 08:06 AM	#1
Marcantilan Weps Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 374 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Torpedoes in Falklands / Malvinas 1982 Well, Ended an essay about submarine weapons (torpedoes an Royal Navy SubHarpoons) in the 1982 conflict. It is here (in Spanish, but Google translator does miracles): http://www.elsnorkel.com/2013/08/lis...ubmarinas.html The article is not short, but in a nutshell, the info is here: In my opinion, torpedoes in the Falklands War / Guerra de Malvinas had the same problems they had in the beginning of both world wars: inmature technology. Regards! __________________ Ultima Ratio Regis

08-07-13, 08:37 AM	#2
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	I'm just about ¾ way through Harry Benson's SCRAM!, about the UK helicopter force at that time. Seems the problem was not just torpedoes but most missile systems of the day had a great failure rate. An interesting read, thanks for writing and sharing. __________________

08-07-13, 09:16 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,526 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'm looking forward to translating your article. The commander of Conqueror had more faith in WWII era technology because there was less that could go wrong and you got more 'bang for the buck' plus the fact the MK24 Tigerfish homing torpedo had never previously been used extensively in training. As for missiles, the software problems of the Sea Wolf system were never ironed out till years after the Falklands conflict. If anyone knows any serviceman that were aboard Sea Cat equipped vessels, ask them if the missile ever recorded an acceptable level of hits during its service career. Some may even say it never hit anything but personally I think that is a bit harsh because One confirmed "kill" of an Argentine aircraft is directly attributed to this missile from over 80 launches, when on the 25 May HMS Yarmouth shot down an A-4C Skyhawk (C-319) flown by Teniente Tomás Lucero. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-07-13, 10:05 AM	#4
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Also enjoyed your Soviéticos en Malvinas article. __________________

01-20-14, 02:49 PM	#8
Marcantilan Weps Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 374 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Link (German) Auftauchen! (the magazine of the German Submariners Association) published part of the article on its current (January / February 2014) issue. The second part, on the next issue. Regards! __________________ Ultima Ratio Regis

08-07-13, 06:14 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Goes to show how lucky we were that the San Luis had her torpedo defect, considering how many resources we put into trying to track her and her sister boat down, it gives you an insight into how worried the RN were about the SSKs. It could have been a game changer. Fortunes of war and all that. Fantastic research Marcantilan, and very well displayed.