Saab wins $4.5bn Brazil fighter jet contract

Gerald · 12-19-13, 10:34 AM

The contract win is a major boost for Sweden-based Saab as it looks to take on rivals like Boeing.

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The deal is one of the most valuable ones in emerging markets and Saab had faced competition from rivals Boeing and Dassault Aviation.

Many had expected Boeing or Dassault to emerge as the winner.

A good step for Saab to set up in South America, and with the new JAS 39E which model will be called, then the plane extensions, length increases better engine and more capable of arming.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25441231

Note: 19 December 2013 Last updated at 09:34 GMT

Skybird · 12-19-13, 11:56 AM

Always had a soft spot for the JAS39, when it appeared it was one of the most modern if not the most modern fighter worldwide.

No doubt that the NSA affair backfired here for Boeing. That US comments reveal that probably not one terror attack has been prevented by the megalomaniac NSA practices, does not help to make things better. Nor are comments by American envoys that data collecting is no data collecting and surveillance no surveillance really helpful.

What is Brazil to buy next in Sweden? Submarines?

South America is the second barrier protecting Boeing's foreign markets that collapses in short time. Some months ago, Japanese airlines cancelled a huge order for Boeing civilian airliners and opened the Japanese market for Airbus instead, rewarding it a record order.

Gerald · 12-19-13, 12:08 PM

NSA affair has been featured in the image clearly, but not decisive in the long run I think after that you have looked at that JAS has cheaper running costs, while the deal involves also technology transfer to Brazil.

mapuc · 12-19-13, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

NSA affair has been featured in the image clearly, but not decisive in the long run I think after that you have looked at that JAS has cheaper running costs, while the deal involves also technology transfer to Brazil.

According to the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.se, F-18 Super Hornet was way ahead of the French and the Swedish deal.

As it said in the article the reveal of the NSA surveillance against the leader of Brazil. made the it tip over to the Swedish favour

Markus

Gerald · 12-19-13, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

According to the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.se, F-18 Super Hornet was way ahead of the French and the Swedish deal.

As it said in the article the reveal of the NSA surveillance against the leader of Brazil. made the it tip over to the Swedish favour

Markus

I think so too, with wiretapping scandals against the Brazilian leader etc.

vanjast · 12-19-13, 03:29 PM

Probably the same story as here... payments

The Russian aircraft are far superior to anything at the moment, especially the Grippen, and they cost less to maintain.

Maybe it all about what is perceived to be more important... but I'll encourage my kids to fly in a different air force, like emigrating to Russia

Stealhead · 12-19-13, 03:33 PM

In many respects the Gripen is a better aircraft than the competition in this case.Much more bang for your buck really and it has very good rough field capabilities.The Super Hornet does not.

The Sweds can operate Gripen with just on trained tech and 6 or 7 untrained troops in rough field conditions. Gripen has been popular the Czechs went with them and so did the Thai Air Force.

A fully equipped Gripen costs $60 million USD while a Super Hornet cost $66 million.That and the Gripen is Swedish engineered.The Super Hornet is really 35 year old technology with a face lift when you get down to it.

I think you will see more nations choosing not to buy American military technology partly for political reasons but also because there is competing technology that is just as effective and costs less.

I must disagree on the Russian aircraft what they export is crap compared to what they use and it is inferior to western technology not to mention the important factor that Russian pilots see the amount of training in a year that a Western pilot sees in 90 days.Gripen is far superior to the MiG-29 the closest thing to a multi role aircraft that the Russians market.A wise smaller air force would do better buying a few less Gripens for the same cost and focusing on good training with that they'd dominate any local air force.As a matter of fact Hungary acquired the Gripen to replace the MiG-29s they had in their inventory wise choice.In modern warfare quality does trump quantity.

Oberon · 12-19-13, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vanjast

The Russian aircraft are far superior to anything at the moment

vanjast · 12-19-13, 03:38 PM

Well.. lets start here and work backwards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA

Oberon · 12-19-13, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vanjast

Well.. lets start here and work backwards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA

Oh no you don't....

I'm not going to be lured into that one, thank you. I'll let someone else bite that worm.

Stealhead · 12-19-13, 03:49 PM

UH no.

All have to say is that the Russian aeronautical research agency its name TsAGI is pronounced soggy that just does not inspire much faith.

vanjast · 12-19-13, 03:51 PM

Whatever !!

vanjast · 12-19-13, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

UH no.
All have to say is that the Russian aeronautical research agency its name TsAGI is pronounced soggy that just does not inspire much faith.

If you think of the A10 WARTHOG... hells what a name ???
BUT the most effective A-to-G a/c for the past 'how many decades' ??.. a brilliant foresighted design.
Many a US troop will kiss a Warthogs pilot's butt, a female one too

Credit where it's due !

vanjast · 12-19-13, 04:26 PM

As an addition:

The A10 was about to be scrapped just before the Saddam Hussein war..
Just the fact that the US actually thought about scrapping it is testament to the politics of the US armaments industry, that does not, repeat, does not care about you.. the ordinary troop or pilot.

I hope you are aware of this, especially with regard to the PAK-FA

vanjast · 12-19-13, 04:33 PM

Why am I saying this... F knows.. it's like preaching to the doff

It just sounds like a repeat of the torpedo problem in the early war years of each nation...

Well, there you go !!

12-19-13, 11:56 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Always had a soft spot for the JAS39, when it appeared it was one of the most modern if not the most modern fighter worldwide. No doubt that the NSA affair backfired here for Boeing. That US comments reveal that probably not one terror attack has been prevented by the megalomaniac NSA practices, does not help to make things better. Nor are comments by American envoys that data collecting is no data collecting and surveillance no surveillance really helpful. What is Brazil to buy next in Sweden? Submarines? South America is the second barrier protecting Boeing's foreign markets that collapses in short time. Some months ago, Japanese airlines cancelled a huge order for Boeing civilian airliners and opened the Japanese market for Airbus instead, rewarding it a record order. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-19-13, 12:08 PM	#3
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	NSA affair has been featured in the image clearly, but not decisive in the long run I think after that you have looked at that JAS has cheaper running costs, while the deal involves also technology transfer to Brazil. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

12-19-13, 03:33 PM	#7
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	In many respects the Gripen is a better aircraft than the competition in this case.Much more bang for your buck really and it has very good rough field capabilities.The Super Hornet does not. The Sweds can operate Gripen with just on trained tech and 6 or 7 untrained troops in rough field conditions. Gripen has been popular the Czechs went with them and so did the Thai Air Force. A fully equipped Gripen costs $60 million USD while a Super Hornet cost $66 million.That and the Gripen is Swedish engineered.The Super Hornet is really 35 year old technology with a face lift when you get down to it. I think you will see more nations choosing not to buy American military technology partly for political reasons but also because there is competing technology that is just as effective and costs less. I must disagree on the Russian aircraft what they export is crap compared to what they use and it is inferior to western technology not to mention the important factor that Russian pilots see the amount of training in a year that a Western pilot sees in 90 days.Gripen is far superior to the MiG-29 the closest thing to a multi role aircraft that the Russians market.A wise smaller air force would do better buying a few less Gripens for the same cost and focusing on good training with that they'd dominate any local air force.As a matter of fact Hungary acquired the Gripen to replace the MiG-29s they had in their inventory wise choice.In modern warfare quality does trump quantity. Last edited by Stealhead; 12-19-13 at 03:48 PM.

12-19-13, 03:29 PM	#6
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,733 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	Probably the same story as here... payments The Russian aircraft are far superior to anything at the moment, especially the Grippen, and they cost less to maintain. Maybe it all about what is perceived to be more important... but I'll encourage my kids to fly in a different air force, like emigrating to Russia

12-19-13, 03:38 PM	#9
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,733 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	Well.. lets start here and work backwards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA

12-19-13, 03:49 PM	#11
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	UH no. All have to say is that the Russian aeronautical research agency its name TsAGI is pronounced soggy that just does not inspire much faith.

12-19-13, 03:51 PM	#12
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,733 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	Whatever !!

12-19-13, 04:26 PM	#14
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,733 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	As an addition: The A10 was about to be scrapped just before the Saddam Hussein war.. Just the fact that the US actually thought about scrapping it is testament to the politics of the US armaments industry, that does not, repeat, does not care about you.. the ordinary troop or pilot. I hope you are aware of this, especially with regard to the PAK-FA

12-19-13, 04:33 PM	#15
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,733 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	Why am I saying this... F knows.. it's like preaching to the doff It just sounds like a repeat of the torpedo problem in the early war years of each nation... Well, there you go !!