A "golden age of SIGINT"...???

Skybird · 11-23-13, 06:05 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/us...ower.html?_r=0

Paranoia.

Megalomania.

Q.

Revelation'S from Snowdens papers just weerks ago showed that most of the NSA's acitivities, including the nmassive boost of its scope since 9/11, is not to counter terrorism and military threats, but to conduct business spionage.

The British GCHQ has even been admitted by Cameron to help aggressively pushing British business interests, so here as well: its about industrial and business spionage.

It's practical to have a climate of fear and claims of terror threats. One can so nicely hide behind them.

And before an yone now inevitably says "everybody does it" - well, only few can be imagined to be capable to do it on a scale like the US and Britain do. The German BND is not one of them, underfunded and short in technological equipment and personnel as it is. China does it, having the competence and material means, Russia at least wants - whether it can I do not judge.

The US knows all too well why it so mercilessly defends possession of all key servers running and controlling the internet. It's one of the very top strategic advantages of theirs.

Everybody believing that laws and international treaties can be trusted to set limits here, can only be called naive.

mapuc · 11-23-13, 08:21 PM

In other words NSA and other intelligence should give a big thanks to Osama for giving them the opportunity to spy on us the ordinary civilians.

Markus

Catfish · 11-24-13, 06:27 AM

If it was a golden year, then if US and England's businesses are not booming now because of their industrial espionage, when will they ever ? lol
Of course they can still spoil certain deals of other countries, when they know where to pay bakshish and bribe money.
Or they can bomb the rest of the world into oblivion and then say they are the strongest nation.

Sorry for being impolite, but then it still seems there's something going wrong, see A380/Boeing, tank deals with Saudi Arabia, british automotive industry .. maybe after all performance and science still have something to do with it ? They should not entirely depend on eavesdropping and copying. Like China.

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In other words NSA and other intelligence should give a big thanks to Osama for giving them the opportunity to spy on us the ordinary civilians.

You do not really think things looked any different with some Bush or Reagan at the helm ?

Again, 'sorry' for being impolite, but this kind of 'soft' warfare (and it is nothing else) pees me off, to say at least.

Sailor Steve · 11-24-13, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

You do not really think things looked any different with some Bush or Reagan at the helm ?

No, but 9/11 led to the Patriot Act which, to the NSA and other such groups, gives them tacit permission.

Catfish · 11-24-13, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

... but 9/11 led to the Patriot Act which, to the NSA and other such groups, gives them tacit permission

.. to listen to every citizen worldwide and make 'freedom' and human rights of privacy a farce.

Well, at least we do now know it.

Catfish · 11-25-13, 12:07 PM

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11-23-13, 06:05 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	A "golden age of SIGINT"...??? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/us...ower.html?_r=0 Paranoia. Megalomania. Q. Revelation'S from Snowdens papers just weerks ago showed that most of the NSA's acitivities, including the nmassive boost of its scope since 9/11, is not to counter terrorism and military threats, but to conduct business spionage. The British GCHQ has even been admitted by Cameron to help aggressively pushing British business interests, so here as well: its about industrial and business spionage. It's practical to have a climate of fear and claims of terror threats. One can so nicely hide behind them. And before an yone now inevitably says "everybody does it" - well, only few can be imagined to be capable to do it on a scale like the US and Britain do. The German BND is not one of them, underfunded and short in technological equipment and personnel as it is. China does it, having the competence and material means, Russia at least wants - whether it can I do not judge. The US knows all too well why it so mercilessly defends possession of all key servers running and controlling the internet. It's one of the very top strategic advantages of theirs. Everybody believing that laws and international treaties can be trusted to set limits here, can only be called naive. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-23-13, 08:21 PM	#2
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	In other words NSA and other intelligence should give a big thanks to Osama for giving them the opportunity to spy on us the ordinary civilians. Markus

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Could not resist - latest advertisment of the local media supermarket.. Do you already have a christmas present ? »Recommended by the NSA« :