S Korea kills man swimming to North

[Jimbuna]

Not often this happens

South Korean troops have shot dead a man trying to swim across a border river into the North, officials say.
Soldiers opened fire after the man jumped into the Imjin river and ignored repeated warnings to stop.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24105977

[Tchocky]

Aren't the countries mixed up? Crazy!

[Jimbuna]

My only take on it can be that he was a suspected spy.

[kranz]

My only take on it can be that he got tired of Starcraft.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

My only take on it can be that he was a suspected spy.

...or its general policy to shoot anyone trying to swim across just in case they are spies.

[Stealhead]

Perhaps so but it seems like a highly illogical way to infiltrate when more clandestine methods have been used by both sides for years.Of course it may be a general assumption that a person trying to cross should be prevented from doing so as on the other side they will be gladly waiting to take the person in more of course to gather any useful intel.

It would be much easier for the North to have a spy go to a third nation they would be acting as a refugee of course then from there they get into South Korea.The South Koreans of course have spies infiltrate the North i assume that they must be infiltrated along the coast above the DMZ and picked up again in the same manner.

[Packlife]

Idk I think the guy could of been a spy, not every spy is a good 1 remember the hot red headed Russian chick the US kicked out?? They figured her out in no time at all. Only reason I'd say he's a spy is this who in their right mind would want to flee to N Korea that's like west Germans hopping the Berlin wall trying to flee to East Germany.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Packlife

Idk I think the guy could of been a spy, not every spy is a good 1 remember the hot red headed Russian chick the US kicked out?? They figured her out in no time at all. Only reason I'd say he's a spy is this who in their right mind would want to flee to N Korea that's like west Germans hopping the Berlin wall trying to flee to East Germany.

There was much more to that Russian spy ring than just Anna Chapman some other members of the same ring they had been following since the late 1990's.It takes a long time to build an espionage case.

She was not so much bad as it where the FBI was just better and found a very clever way to gain her trust they also took advantage of her ambition.They figured her out only because she was a go between for other spies that had been in country and had been under observation before she even came to the US.

What they did was have her meet an FBI agent that spoke fluent Russian basically he was a 1st gen American they had gathered intel that she was having troubles with her PC issued by the FSB so what they did was have the agent build up her trust after a few meetings.Then he told her (a lie of course) that he was going to go back the FSB HQ in Moscow and he would take the laptop with him and give her another (which was bugged) to use in the mean time.As I recall anyway I read the complaint over a year ago.

You can read the entire complaint online against her and the others it goes into great detail what was allowed to be public knowledge anyway.

If you want to know how the US government catches a spy this is how what it does not tell you is how they knew of anything this is usually because a mole dropping something interesting and that person can not be exposed.

Anna Chapman and Mikhail Semenko
http://www.justice.gov/opa/documents...complaint1.pdf

All of the others whose actual names where not known at the time
http://www.justice.gov/opa/documents...complaint2.pdf

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Perhaps so but it seems like a highly illogical way to infiltrate when more clandestine methods have been used by both sides for years.Of course it may be a general assumption that a person trying to cross should be prevented from doing so as on the other side they will be gladly waiting to take the person in more of course to gather any useful intel.

It would be much easier for the North to have a spy go to a third nation they would be acting as a refugee of course then from there they get into South Korea.The South Koreans of course have spies infiltrate the North i assume that they must be infiltrated along the coast above the DMZ and picked up again in the same manner.

Stealhead, read it again. This is about man trying to swim from South Korea to North Korea - not other way around. Also he was shot by South Korean soldier.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Stealhead, read it again. This is about man trying to swim from South Korea to North Korea - not other way around. Also he was shot by South Korean soldier.

Not sure what you mean. Perhaps my use of the term infiltrate I suppose I could have used a better term to describe a person wanting to deliver intel to their masters(which i assume this person was attempting) not gather it. I was speculating I fully understand that the guy was in the South and swimming North.I was talking about how a South Korean might infiltrate the North in the later part of that post.

Suicide by Soldier.
Like the North could feed him anyway.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Not sure what you mean. Perhaps my use of the term infiltrate I suppose I could have used a better term to describe a person wanting to deliver intel to their masters(which i assume this person was attempting) not gather it. I was speculating I fully understand that the guy was in the South and swimming North.I was talking about how a South Korean might infiltrate the North in the later part of that post.

Yes, it was that term why I thought you may have somehow misread it - although I couldn't imagine how.

[Ducimus]

I've known one thing for many years.

If a ROK guard yells "HONG GEE!!!!" at you (or however you spell "Halt" in korean), you freaking stop. They don't mess around.

[Stealhead]

In Vietnam the areas controlled by the ROK had very little enemy activity.They had very convincing interrogation methods though they where fair for the most part it is obvious when the other framers are skin and bone then you have 4 or 5 five that are in outstanding shape and are not from the area that something is up.

My dad said that on one of his tours someone made the mistake of stealing from the ROK warehouse.The next day there was a sign that said in Vietnamese and English "Do Steal From the ROK!!" attached where two sets of hands one set had been previously owned by a person of European decent.War is hell though and no side showed any quarter in Vietnam its just that the ROK well you did not mess with them.

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by privateer

Suicide by Soldier.
Like the North could feed him anyway.

I consider this a mercy killing; if they hadn't shot him, he would have been stuck in North Korea.