Google Crime Company at it again

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzp...-a-911574.html

Will give an English link when it has made it into English news.

It has been leaked that Google systematically and intentionally collected millions and millions of ID accounts plus WLAN ID plus the WLAN security codes and has stored them in a database. This while advising customers not to tell their WLAN codes ever to anybody, and never to store them in the cloud or to transfer them over the web. But Google deliberately fetches of these codes when people use for example cloud synchronisation services for Android.

A Google-maintained database where WLAN numbers and access codes are separately stored. Unencrypted. Think of it. That is no technical accident again by which Google always claims to get struck so very, so extremely, so unluckily, so unbelievably often. It seems no company in the world has so much bad luck, like Google claims to have.

This company is is becoming so potentially very dangerous, it already is, and gets worse and worse. They accumulate power and more power - without any checks and balances, monitoring or data protection laws enforced.

Risks could be multiple ones. For example government agencies demanding/enforcing access to these data and using them to hack themselves into private WLANs where they want to spy.

Meanwhile, rumours stubbornly cannot be silenced also that all producers of OS and security software are being forced by especially the US government, but EU governments as well, to code backdoor entries into their software that can be used by government services to compromise a system.

I told that news on the phone yesterday to somebody. It probably was inevitable but I was surprised how fats it happened this time to be accused of wanting to go back into the stone-age. Well, Karma. People will get what they deserve. You ignore these things - you will not escape their consequences then.

But its frustrating to always run into people's ignorance and accomodativeness.

[Skybird]

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleto...-12286219.html

http://frank.geekheim.de/?p=2379

Blackberry as well. Chaos Computer Club Hamburg reports that during installation of Blackberry cellphones, Blackberry servers all by themselves access the customer's email servers and extract emails, which apparently get stored ion Blackberry servers then. This without noting the customer, making the action aware to the customer, or the company having anything to say about why this is being done, and having nothing to say about data protection as well.

Well, data protection obviously already is null and void.

Again, these emails then can easily be fetched of by government services. Which seems to get done in the countries of the sovcalled five-eyes alliance that are in strong cooperation with Prism.

Needless to say that the control of communication in the web is a demand by democratic as well as openly tyrannic governments as well, since the value of these communications for military rebellions and civil uprises as well as street protesters coordinating their actions has been demonstrated in events around the world since years. Not just Russia, China and Iran want a censoring of free communication via the web. Western governments, and as we learned in recent days once again: the EU want it as well.

Our enslavement advances. Slowly, creepingly, but it does. And people just smile and sit and watch. Life can be so comfortable when you peacefully agree to give up your freedom. Also, there is an effect of getting used to things. The next generation will not even know anymore why it should want to be free. It will most naturally take the whip and the microphone as symbols guaranteeing its "freedom". We already see it with today's young people, their carelessness for their private sphere regarding social services, and the lack of understanding of the need for protection from the state.

Once cash money coins and notes have been successfully abandoned, which already is psychologically prepared in Europe by preparatory policies, total digital vulnerability of its slave-citizens will pay off even more for the state. Think of taxing. Insurances cooperating with the state. Employers.

[Schroeder]

I don't use Google and I don't have a smart phone.
The problem is that it seems that all forms of modern communication are spied upon so in theorie we would have to abandon all forms of communication in order to avoid espionage. That's not going to work...
I don't like were the surveillance stuff is going (actually it makes the GESTAPO, Stasi, KGB etc. look like amateurs) but I also fail to see how it could be stopped without removing all governments, secret services and companies that are involved in any form of communication.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Change your passwords regularly. It's a basic operation but works quite well. Don't just change them for your internet activities and your PC, but your WiFi routers too. Anything with a password should not be just a once only thing.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

I don't use Google and I don't have a smart phone.
The problem is that it seems that all forms of modern communication are spied upon so in theorie we would have to abandon all forms of communication in order to avoid espionage. That's not going to work...
I don't like were the surveillance stuff is going (actually it makes the GESTAPO, Stasi, KGB etc. look like amateurs) but I also fail to see how it could be stopped without removing all governments, secret services and companies that are involved in any form of communication.

Problem is that all important servers are located in the US. The US has a tremendous strategic advantage there which started to grow since Bill Gates founded Microsoft and Silicon Valley rose a bit later, so to speak. With much computer technology production gone from the US to China, the web infrastructure still remains to be what it was from the beginning: US-dominated. And they will never give up that advantage without putting up a hell of a battle. Even if they would want, the Europeans would not have a serious means to raise an alternative to that, since even if the Europeans would start to raise their own servers, the US and most of the non-European world would boycott them, practically all global business would, since adapting to the new standards, if they would be there, would cost vast amounts of money and changes in their own data infrastructure.

Sensible data in deed should not processed electronically, Schroeder. The Russian FSA (national secret service) has switched back to using mechanically typewriters for exactly these reasons. Neither virusses nor spies with a USB stick nor the NSA listening in via satellite or whatever have a chance there. I myself since years do not do certain communications and do not send certain info/messages over telephone and web anymore for sure.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I myself since years do not do certain communications and do not send certain info/messages over telephone and web anymore for sure.

Why? What have you got to hide?

[The Enigma]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Why? What have you got to hide?

A common remark made by those who don't see the danger behind it.
To answer your question.
I have nothing to hide but a great deal to loose:
My privacy, and my privacy means a lot to me, but that's me.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Why? What have you got to hide?

Secret skybird business only recorded on cuniform clay tablets.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Why? What have you got to hide?

The question is not what I (or anyone else) have to hide, the question is why are they allowed to spy on my daily life?
If I were to install a video camera in your bedroom would you like that? No? Why not, what do you have to hide?
My private life is non of their business as long as I don't commit crimes period!

Knowledge is power. You can see that nicely in totalitarian regimes. They collect data about you and really know then what you think of the system and if you have expressed your dislike for it at one point you'll become a suspect and perhaps get banned from getting a passport, might get send to prison on false accusations (because they don't say: we throw you into jail for not agreeing with the party, just look at Russia) , won't be getting admittance for your children to certain types of schools etc. That's the danger. We're preparing the infrastructure for the next dictatorship and they will have a much easier time controlling us than the Nazis or Commies ever had.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

I'm not so shocked they are gathering my data, but unencrypted?

This has to be a hoax...

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleto...-12286219.html

http://frank.geekheim.de/?p=2379

Blackberry as well. Chaos Computer Club Hamburg reports that during installation of Blackberry cellphones, Blackberry servers all by themselves access the customer's email servers and extract emails, which apparently get stored ion Blackberry servers then. This without noting the customer, making the action aware to the customer, or the company having anything to say about why this is being done, and having nothing to say about data protection as well.

Well, data protection obviously already is null and void.

Again, these emails then can easily be fetched of by government services. Which seems to get done in the countries of the sovcalled five-eyes alliance that are in strong cooperation with Prism.

Needless to say that the control of communication in the web is a demand by democratic as well as openly tyrannic governments as well, since the value of these communications for military rebellions and civil uprises as well as street protesters coordinating their actions has been demonstrated in events around the world since years. Not just Russia, China and Iran want a censoring of free communication via the web. Western governments, and as we learned in recent days once again: the EU want it as well.

Our enslavement advances. Slowly, creepingly, but it does. And people just smile and sit and watch. Life can be so comfortable when you peacefully agree to give up your freedom. Also, there is an effect of getting used to things. The next generation will not even know anymore why it should want to be free. It will most naturally take the whip and the microphone as symbols guaranteeing its "freedom". We already see it with today's young people, their carelessness for their private sphere regarding social services, and the lack of understanding of the need for protection from the state.

Once cash money coins and notes have been successfully abandoned, which already is psychologically prepared in Europe by preparatory policies, total digital vulnerability of its slave-citizens will pay off even more for the state. Think of taxing. Insurances cooperating with the state. Employers.

I have to laugh at you for this

Seriously, you don't know how blackberry works?

Ok, let me explain. There is two ways of how email works. Push, and "pull". Traditionally, email worked by "pull". On early phones, like the famous Motorola V3, you had to open the email app to "check your mail". Aka, you have to manually check your email every once in a while.

The Blackberry revolutionized email. Email was "pushed" to you. Aka, like text messages, you get your emails sent to you after it gets sent. This allowed people to rapidly communicated back and forth through email, just like text messaging, but without the character limitation.

Blackberry's push email technology is achieved through their BES (blackberry enterprise server). What they do is, the BES server retrieves your mail from the mail server (Hotmail, gmail, yahoo, self hosted exchange, etc). Than, blackberry compresses your email and "pushes" it to your phone. BES technology later improved to include other ways of compressions like compressed web browsing and compressed app data access.

So blackberry's "secret sauce" is its BES server. But the problem is, for home users, you don't have a blackberry server in your basement. So to cater to home users, Blackberry and cellphone carriers run a BES server to provide your email service. so OF COURSE blackberry accesses and stores your email. It is written in the EULA when you start your blackberry! It is how blackberry works!

Have you wondered why cell phone carriers have "blackberry internet plans" but no "apple internet plan" or "Motorola internet plan"? Its because they need to run the BES server for you to make your blackberry work.

Blackberry is used by many organizations that require actual secure email. So the question is, how are they not worried that blackberry is accessing their email? These organizations use their own BES server, thus bypassing blackberry's servers and thus will not allow blackberry to access the emails.