Fleet carrier sunk with one torpedo?!

Traveller · 04-09-13, 07:38 AM

Well, I just sank a Hiyo fleet carrier with one torp. I'm using TMO 2.5, RSRDC, and Traveller mod 2.04. Would this have even been historically possible?

captgeo · 04-09-13, 08:04 AM

picked the wrong MOD for realistic play......

try RFB,

Traveller · 04-09-13, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by captgeo

picked the wrong MOD for realistic play......

try RFB,

Any other unbiased opinions out there?

Bilge_Rat · 04-09-13, 08:28 AM

Fleet carriers are fragile, issue with the in game Zones. In RL, they were fragile, but it generally took 2-3 torps minimum to sink one.

Regarding mods, RFB only uses stock figures for major warships, including fleet carriers. Their NYGM mod only covers merchants and DDs, as I recall. TMO uses stock figures, but increases sinking times by 2.5.

Traveller · 04-09-13, 08:39 AM

Thanks Bilge Rat.

Another important question. Has anyone ever sunk a carrier with one torp playing only with TMO 2.5 (no other mods)?

Bilge_Rat · 04-09-13, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Traveller

Thanks Bilge Rat.

Another important question. Has anyone ever sunk a carrier with one torp playing only with TMO 2.5 (no other mods)?

I did a lot of tests with TMO 2.5 when I was working on my LST mod. You can sink a Fleet carrier with one torp IF you hit the right spot, midship if I recall, but it generally takes two.

Traveller · 04-09-13, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I did a lot of tests with TMO 2.5 when I was working on my LST mod. You can sink a Fleet carrier with one torp IF you hit the right spot, midship if I recall, but it generally takes two.

Ah, I see. Thanks again, Bilge Rat.

I was worried it had something to do with a change I made in my Traveller mod, but apparently not.

merc4ulfate · 04-09-13, 12:51 PM

I just sank one last night.

TMO+RSRD+Traveller MOD

It was pure luck.

I came upon a Task Force coming around Cristobal Island in May of 42. They were heading to the battle of Coral Sea. Two Carriers and at least two destroyers. I was on the surface but dove and went all ahead flank at periscope depth. Due to an odd bug I have no conning tower so I was unable to use my scope or TDC on the surface.

(The bug just started but I wanted to check it out)

I closed on the ships faster than I thought and had fired all six from the forward tubes using a sonar bearing alone as a target heading. Since I could not use the TDC and scope the firing solution was zero. I turned so that the ship I thought was the carrier was at 340 degrees, fired with the fish at slow speed to get the distance needed and heard an explosion within the first two minutes I guess. All other fish missed.

I had hit one of the carriers that had been closer than I thought and was credited with sinking it. I evaded the escorts and headed back to Pearl. I'm still trying to get my conning tower back. Even after heading in I didnt get it back so now I'm trying to figure out if I can save the career at all with it in place.

If is weird sitting at the deck gun as the only means to see outside and having no con on the boat ... just one flat deck LOL

21kamando · 04-09-13, 01:00 PM

Historically I know of one carrier that was sunk with just one torp, the Taihō. She has struck by one torpedo on the starboard side just ahead of the island. Granted what really killed the ship was poor damage control, but none the less the carrier was sunk with only one torp.

In game I've sunk a Shokaku class with one torp. I don't know where it hit as it was a hip shot I made after firing on another Shokaku and I was making my escape.

les green01 · 04-09-13, 06:50 PM

depends where it hit probly be same in real life but im sure any captain in real life fire a spread

Armistead · 04-09-13, 09:09 PM

Seems I've sunk the Shokaku with one torp playing TMO and TMOwRSRD.

The only shocker for me was I once sunk a Kongo with one torp after years of playing. It usually took 3-4 torps, not sure why it sunk with one that one time.

Can't wait to DL and try your latest version. Had a power surge and it killed my mem slots but one, so game is too slow at the moment.

d@rk51d3 · 04-09-13, 09:22 PM

The Japanese carriers also carried the aircraft fully fuelled.

Made for a nice big explosion.

les green01 · 04-09-13, 09:24 PM

that sucks sorry about the surge

merc4ulfate · 04-09-13, 09:38 PM

Has anyone ever heard of the con disappearing? I'm not opposed to starting a new career but I sure wish it had stayed. Maybe they cut it off for a refit and I left Pearl before they added a new one.

LOL

Follow up on the con

Seems if I begin a new campaign I still lose the con if I start anywhere in 1942. I tried starting in April of 42 with a Tambor but it would not give me a con.

If I begin from the very beginning of the war with a Tambor I have the con and the watch standing stations return to the ship crew placements.

I hope they stay this time.

Red October1984 · 04-09-13, 10:01 PM

Last time I sank a carrier, I was court martialed......

Looking at you Armistead...

04-09-13, 07:38 AM	#1
Traveller Captain Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 513 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Fleet carrier sunk with one torpedo?! Well, I just sank a Hiyo fleet carrier with one torp. I'm using TMO 2.5, RSRDC, and Traveller mod 2.04. Would this have even been historically possible?

04-09-13, 08:04 AM	#2
captgeo Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 550 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	picked the wrong MOD for realistic play...... try RFB, __________________

04-09-13, 08:28 AM	#4
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Fleet carriers are fragile, issue with the in game Zones. In RL, they were fragile, but it generally took 2-3 torps minimum to sink one. Regarding mods, RFB only uses stock figures for major warships, including fleet carriers. Their NYGM mod only covers merchants and DDs, as I recall. TMO uses stock figures, but increases sinking times by 2.5. __________________

04-09-13, 01:00 PM	#9
21kamando Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: California Posts: 12 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Historically I know of one carrier that was sunk with just one torp, the *Taihō.* She has struck by one torpedo on the starboard side just ahead of the island. Granted what really killed the ship was poor damage control, but none the less the carrier was sunk with only one torp. In game I've sunk a Shokaku class with one torp. I don't know where it hit as it was a hip shot I made after firing on another Shokaku and I was making my escape. __________________ There are wolves, there are sheep, I'm a sheepdog. “This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can.” -- Rear Admiral Robert W. Copeland

04-09-13, 06:50 PM	#10
les green01 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Freeman Missouri Posts: 1,784 Downloads: 1405 Uploads: 0	depends where it hit probly be same in real life but im sure any captain in real life fire a spread __________________ I'll tell you what bravery really is. Bravery is just determination to do a job that you know has to be done. Audie Murphy

04-09-13, 08:39 AM	#5
Traveller Captain Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 513 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Thanks Bilge Rat. Another important question. Has anyone ever sunk a carrier with one torp playing only with TMO 2.5 (no other mods)?

04-09-13, 12:51 PM	#8
merc4ulfate DILLIGAF Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: florida Posts: 2,058 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 0	I just sank one last night. TMO+RSRD+Traveller MOD It was pure luck. I came upon a Task Force coming around Cristobal Island in May of 42. They were heading to the battle of Coral Sea. Two Carriers and at least two destroyers. I was on the surface but dove and went all ahead flank at periscope depth. Due to an odd bug I have no conning tower so I was unable to use my scope or TDC on the surface. (The bug just started but I wanted to check it out) I closed on the ships faster than I thought and had fired all six from the forward tubes using a sonar bearing alone as a target heading. Since I could not use the TDC and scope the firing solution was zero. I turned so that the ship I thought was the carrier was at 340 degrees, fired with the fish at slow speed to get the distance needed and heard an explosion within the first two minutes I guess. All other fish missed. I had hit one of the carriers that had been closer than I thought and was credited with sinking it. I evaded the escorts and headed back to Pearl. I'm still trying to get my conning tower back. Even after heading in I didnt get it back so now I'm trying to figure out if I can save the career at all with it in place. If is weird sitting at the deck gun as the only means to see outside and having no con on the boat ... just one flat deck LOL

04-09-13, 09:09 PM	#11
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Seems I've sunk the Shokaku with one torp playing TMO and TMOwRSRD. The only shocker for me was I once sunk a Kongo with one torp after years of playing. It usually took 3-4 torps, not sure why it sunk with one that one time. Can't wait to DL and try your latest version. Had a power surge and it killed my mem slots but one, so game is too slow at the moment. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

04-09-13, 09:22 PM	#12
d@rk51d3 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,952 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0	The Japanese carriers also carried the aircraft fully fuelled. Made for a nice big explosion.

04-09-13, 09:24 PM	#13
les green01 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Freeman Missouri Posts: 1,784 Downloads: 1405 Uploads: 0	that sucks sorry about the surge __________________ I'll tell you what bravery really is. Bravery is just determination to do a job that you know has to be done. Audie Murphy

04-09-13, 09:38 PM	#14
merc4ulfate DILLIGAF Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: florida Posts: 2,058 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 0	Has anyone ever heard of the con disappearing? I'm not opposed to starting a new career but I sure wish it had stayed. Maybe they cut it off for a refit and I left Pearl before they added a new one. LOL Follow up on the con Seems if I begin a new campaign I still lose the con if I start anywhere in 1942. I tried starting in April of 42 with a Tambor but it would not give me a con. If I begin from the very beginning of the war with a Tambor I have the con and the watch standing stations return to the ship crew placements. I hope they stay this time. Last edited by merc4ulfate; 04-10-13 at 03:57 PM.

04-09-13, 10:01 PM	#15
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Last time I sank a carrier, I was court martialed...... Looking at you Armistead... __________________