Arctic Convoys

jreid666 · 12-21-12, 06:01 AM

Hi, Kaleuns,
I was watching something last night about the arctic convoys, and how the u-boot wolf packs used to wait for them between bear island and north Norway and i tried to remember if i had eve been sent to that area in sh3. As i recall i never have. So my question is has anyone ever been in that area and found convoys, and how are the convoys depicted in game, if indeed they are there?
I can't find a link unfortunately, as it was a very interesting programme. One thing i did not know from this was that those who served on the arctic convoys never got a campaign medal from the UK, They did get from Russia and are constantly recognised by the Russians, even throughout the cold war.

James

Succat · 12-21-12, 06:46 AM

Very good idea, i should give that area a visit next time, there is much to read about the convoys between russia and england:

Russian Convoys, 1941-1945

Arctic convoys of World War II

Dread Knot · 12-21-12, 08:26 AM

As dramatic as the Arctic Convoys were, it's important to remember that 70% of the Allied aid sent to Russia either passed overland through Persia or was shipped into the Pacific port of Vladivostok and then sent by rail west. In addition an air supply delivery was set up between Alaska and Siberia. Slower routes but much safer.

HW3 · 12-21-12, 09:06 AM

Yes there are arctic convoys in SH3 with GWX. I'm not sure about stock as I never played stock. To be assigned to that area, station yourself with the flottille in Bergen.

sublynx · 12-21-12, 09:25 AM

I have played a campaign from Bergen and decided to take a few patrols in the Arctic. It was very quiet, but there were some convoys now and then. I wrote detailed war diaries about the patrols in:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=151090

I can't pinpoint you to the right posts, but if you check my war diaries that I wrote while sailing in U-552 as commander Alfons Dietzmann, patrols 1 - 4 you'll get a picture of what it was like in the Arctic 1942 - 1943. The posts are written somewhere around may - june 2011.

There is one good thing about the Arctic convoys - minimal enemy air activity

Beware of carrier borne aircraft though

Jimbuna · 12-21-12, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jreid666

One thing i did not know from this was that those who served on the arctic convoys never got a campaign medal from the UK, They did get from Russia and are constantly recognised by the Russians, even throughout the cold war.

James

My late father received his medal from the Russian Ambassador to the UK about twenty years ago (I still have it in my possession) and I believe the UK government announced a similar recognition only a week ago.

http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/arct...rans-honoured/

GWX has said convoys amply scripted in.

jreid666 · 12-21-12, 12:57 PM

Thank you for the replies. Forgot to mention that it is GWX that I play. I know that there were only about 50 convoys sent from UK, most set sail from Loch Ewe, west Scotland. I was just interested to see is anyone had been sent there or if it was a wasted journey for me lol. I will have a look for those patrol logs, thank you. As for the campaign medals, I didn't realise that the government only just announced that, only 60 years too late though. These were normal seafaring people, doing there bit to help an ally and win the war yet its taken this long to recognise their efforts. To me that is a disgrace. Anyway, rant over lol, thank you all for the information. Now to find them......

James

Ps, I know its a bit hypocritical, having a bit of a rant, then saying I'm goin to sink them when I find them, but to those who may have a pop, and I know there are some who will, its only a game lol

12-21-12, 01:47 PM

I believe aircraft sank more than did U-Boats on the Arctic runs in real life. Have swept up there in GWX a couple of times and found few independent merchant (actually non that I can recall) and well defended convoys. Now I avoid it.

A new book on the subject; Sacrifice for Stalin: The Cost and Value of the Arctic Convoys Reassessed by David Wragg challenges much of the received wisdom on the campaign. It also throws into sharp relief how the USSR obstructed and denigrated the Allied efforts to push the convoys through.

All in all, an interesting read.

Jimbuna · 12-21-12, 02:42 PM

It was often the case that ships crews weren't allowed ashore...not that there was much to see.

Hitman · 12-21-12, 03:43 PM

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A new book on the subject; Sacrifice for Stalin: The Cost and Value of the Arctic Convoys Reassessed by David Wragg challenges much of the received wisdom on the campaign. It also throws into sharp relief how the USSR obstructed and denigrated the Allied efforts to push the convoys through.

Yes, as Dread Knot already said, the truth is that those convoys were a political issue

, they were visible in that the germans confronted them, whereas in other routes they didn't and went by unnoticed. And of course, failure to deliver them was a golden occasion for Stalin to yell that he could not progress or was even losing due to the evil capitalists not doing their part.

12-21-12, 06:01 AM	#1
jreid666 Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: fraserburgh Posts: 104 Downloads: 296 Uploads: 0	Arctic Convoys Hi, Kaleuns, I was watching something last night about the arctic convoys, and how the u-boot wolf packs used to wait for them between bear island and north Norway and i tried to remember if i had eve been sent to that area in sh3. As i recall i never have. So my question is has anyone ever been in that area and found convoys, and how are the convoys depicted in game, if indeed they are there? I can't find a link unfortunately, as it was a very interesting programme. One thing i did not know from this was that those who served on the arctic convoys never got a campaign medal from the UK, They did get from Russia and are constantly recognised by the Russians, even throughout the cold war. James

12-21-12, 06:46 AM	#2
Succat Torpedoman Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Zentrale of VIIB U-51... Posts: 118 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	Very good idea, i should give that area a visit next time, there is much to read about the convoys between russia and england: Russian Convoys, 1941-1945 Arctic convoys of World War II __________________

12-21-12, 09:06 AM	#4
HW3 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 6,574 Downloads: 458 Uploads: 0	Yes there are arctic convoys in SH3 with GWX. I'm not sure about stock as I never played stock. To be assigned to that area, station yourself with the flottille in Bergen. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink...others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

12-21-12, 09:25 AM	#5
sublynx Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In the conning tower of my VIIC scanning the sea through the periscope Posts: 1,698 Downloads: 173 Uploads: 7	I have played a campaign from Bergen and decided to take a few patrols in the Arctic. It was very quiet, but there were some convoys now and then. I wrote detailed war diaries about the patrols in: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=151090 I can't pinpoint you to the right posts, but if you check my war diaries that I wrote while sailing in U-552 as commander Alfons Dietzmann, patrols 1 - 4 you'll get a picture of what it was like in the Arctic 1942 - 1943. The posts are written somewhere around may - june 2011. There is one good thing about the Arctic convoys - minimal enemy air activity Beware of carrier borne aircraft though __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] NYGM+H.sie v16+Stiebler 4C+MaGui WS

12-21-12, 02:42 PM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	It was often the case that ships crews weren't allowed ashore...not that there was much to see. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-21-12, 08:26 AM	#3
Dread Knot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,288 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	As dramatic as the Arctic Convoys were, it's important to remember that 70% of the Allied aid sent to Russia either passed overland through Persia or was shipped into the Pacific port of Vladivostok and then sent by rail west. In addition an air supply delivery was set up between Alaska and Siberia. Slower routes but much safer.

12-21-12, 12:57 PM	#7
jreid666 Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: fraserburgh Posts: 104 Downloads: 296 Uploads: 0	Thank you for the replies. Forgot to mention that it is GWX that I play. I know that there were only about 50 convoys sent from UK, most set sail from Loch Ewe, west Scotland. I was just interested to see is anyone had been sent there or if it was a wasted journey for me lol. I will have a look for those patrol logs, thank you. As for the campaign medals, I didn't realise that the government only just announced that, only 60 years too late though. These were normal seafaring people, doing there bit to help an ally and win the war yet its taken this long to recognise their efforts. To me that is a disgrace. Anyway, rant over lol, thank you all for the information. Now to find them...... James Ps, I know its a bit hypocritical, having a bit of a rant, then saying I'm goin to sink them when I find them, but to those who may have a pop, and I know there are some who will, its only a game lol

12-21-12, 01:47 PM	#8
Randomizer Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I believe aircraft sank more than did U-Boats on the Arctic runs in real life. Have swept up there in GWX a couple of times and found few independent merchant (actually non that I can recall) and well defended convoys. Now I avoid it. A new book on the subject; Sacrifice for Stalin: The Cost and Value of the Arctic Convoys Reassessed by David Wragg challenges much of the received wisdom on the campaign. It also throws into sharp relief how the USSR obstructed and denigrated the Allied efforts to push the convoys through. All in all, an interesting read.