More Holocaust survivors to receive German compensation

[Gerald]

An estimated 500,000 Holocaust survivors are still alive today.

Germany will increase pension benefits to Jewish Holocaust survivors and broaden the category of those eligible for compensation.

The move is part of revisions made to the 1952 Luxembourg Agreement, under which West Germany assumed responsibility for the Holocaust.

As a result some 80,000 Jews in eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union will receive payments for the first time.

To date, Germany has paid an estimated 55bn euros (£44bn; $70bn) to survivors.

The amended accord was signed by Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble and Julius Berman, chairman of the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, to mark the treaty's 60th anniversary."We still do not know the names of all of the victims," Mr Schaeuble said. "The crimes of the Holocaust were so inconceivably enormous that you can't know all of the victims or those with claims, so you have to adjust it again and again.

"In eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, there are still people who were not entitled to make claims. And because those people who were entitled were identified, we said they should also receive [payments]."

Under the new agreement, Jewish survivors in ex-Communist countries are now eligible for a one-off payment of 2,556 euros.

In addition, some 100,000 elderly Jewish victims of the Nazi regime in the region will see their pensions increase from 200 euros per month to 300 euros per month, to match the sum Holocaust survivors elsewhere are already receiving.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20344999


Note: 15 November 2012 Last updated at 17:18 GMT

[Alex]

Tribalism.

Tribalism.

Jew hating neo nazi

[Jimbuna]

Let us keep it reasonable and sensible please.....

Let us keep it reasonable and sensible please.....

It is.
If a legacy state is held responsible for state crimes then it is only correct that their victims get compensation, if a number of uncompensated victims finally get their payout then one must question any objection to those payments.
The earlier post gets to the root of those objections in this case so it is reasonable as it is quick and to the point, and sensible as it is undeniable

[Gerald]

Of course, the compensation paid.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

It is.
If a legacy state is held responsible for state crimes then it is only correct that their victims get compensation, if a number of uncompensated victims finally get their payout then one must question any objection to those payments.

^^ this!

To the uninformed: While now compensations were extented to a number of jewish people, the compensations are not exclusive to Jews.

Maybe we could also talk about the compensation of the victims of the Algerian war or about the Algerians who were murdered by the French police at a demonstration in Paris. Or the question how long it took for the French to accept they screwed up there....
Or would this topic be too insensitive, since as a result of the Algerian adventure was that it brought many jewish refugees to France?

[Alex]

I admit I've got to smile a bit reading that news, while remembering a guy called Herman Rosenblat.

Originally Posted by Penguin

Maybe we could also talk about the compensation of the victims of the Algerian war or about the Algerians who were murdered by the French police at a demonstration in Paris. Or the question how long it took for the French to accept they screwed up there....
Or would this topic be too insensitive, since as a result of the Algerian adventure was that it brought many jewish refugees to France?

If you like, man, no problem with that.
I wanted to demonstrate that most people fall into that 70 years old trap, and just wish to be in fashion getting offended by some things that happened to the greatest victim of all time worldwide : the Chosen People, due to the fact that the poor Chosen People have got to live the holocaust, decades ago. What about black people who've got to be victims of the slave trade ? What about the decimated Amerindian population in North America ? No, man, this is no holocaust, sorry : holocaust = 1942-1944 = jackpotdingdingdingdingdingding. Other than that ? Sorry we don't know what you're talking about.

And while we get you to think about cattle wagons going to death camps, what happens in Palestine ?
The so called Chosen People steal and occupy Palestinian land. Palestinians live the Shoah for more than 60 years now. But well, things could be worse, eh.
Has anyone ever been caring about them, while everyone is showing support to Israel ?
According to the #242 resolution made by the United Nations in 1967, all Israeli armed forces should withdraw from this land.
But they never cared about that so far. Why doesn't anyone just lift a finger and say "hey, but what are you still doing here" ? Because the so-called promised land is protected and subsidised by the world's big boss, the USA.
So now, I don't refuse to recognize the pain the Chosen People have gone through during the second world war. But those who consider themselves as the chosen people, eventually getting some family members going through so much pain at some time in History, are supposed to remember the reason why they've got to suffer. And so, they are not supposed to impose this kind of sanctions to Palestinians, making the shoah a palestinian thing nowadays.

The interest in pain should not be confined to one people only.

But feel free to be selective regarding the pain you're supposed to feel regarding tensions in the Middle East.

I've got to admit that I can't avoid feeling sad about the everyday people who always end up being the victims of that war, be they Palestinians or Israelis.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Alex

holocaust = 1942-1944 = jackpotdingdingdingdingdingding.

That's what this thread is about.

And while we get you to think about cattle wagons going to death camps, what happens in Palestine ?
The so called Chosen People steal and occupy Palestinian land. Palestinians live the Shoah for more than 60 years now. But well, things could be worse, eh.
Has anyone ever been caring about them, while everyone is showing support to Israel ?
According to the #242 resolution made by the United Nations in 1967, all Israeli armed forces should withdraw from this land.
But they never cared about that so far. Why doesn't anyone just lift a finger and say "hey, but what are you still doing here" ? Because the so-called promised land is protected and subsidised by the world's big boss, the USA.
So now, I don't refuse to recognize the pain the Chosen People have gone through during the second world war. But those who consider themselves as the chosen people, eventually getting some family members going through so much pain at some time in History, are supposed to remember the reason why they've got to suffer. And so, they are not supposed to impose this kind of sanctions to Palestinians, making the shoah a palestinian thing nowadays.

The interest in pain should not be confined to one people only.

But feel free to be selective regarding the pain you're supposed to feel regarding tensions in the Middle East.

I've got to admit that I can't avoid feeling sad about the everyday people who always end up being the victims of that war, be they Palestinians or Israelis.

That is not what this thread is about. Jackpotdingding indeed. We've already got a thread about this. Take it there, orient.

Jackpotdingding indeed

It was a typo.
Evil jewish computers altered his text.

holocaust = 1933-1945 = jackbootingtingtingtingtingting

[kranz]

Evil jewish computers altered his text.

yep.
exactly the same computers which altered the number to 6 million
(in the late 1990's in schools we were still fed with the 7 million, not to mention the early post-war calculations which were as funny as the 6 million is today)

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by kranz

yep.
exactly the same computers which altered the number to 6 million
(in the late 1990's in schools we were still fed with the 7 million, not to mention the early post-war calculations which were as funny as the 6 million is today)

So what do you believe to be the true figure?

[Platapus]

There's no business like Shoah Business - Yaffa Eliach

[kranz]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

So what do you believe to be the true figure?

something between the actual figure and the future, non-biased calculations.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by kranz

something between the actual figure and the future, non-biased calculations.

Well, what is that in number terms?