Fatigue Model Rub vs. Rub 1xTc vs. GWX 8 hours

Sepp von Ch. · 10-22-12, 09:58 AM

Hello, what is the difference between Rub and Rub 1xTc and GWX 8 hours fatigue model (in SH3 Commander)?

Sailor Steve · 10-22-12, 11:19 AM

RUB (Real U-Boat) was the first SH3 supermod. It had an unusual fatigue system, in which fatigue went down very, very slowly. Putting men in the crew quarters would stop it going down, but could not be recovered; it never went back up. The idea was to represent overall fatigue, not just getting tired through an eight-hour shift. You had to be very careful to swap your men out on a regular basis or they would become useless. RUB 1x was an even more special Fatigue model, made exclusively for campaigning with no time compression ever. I'm not sure how it worked.

GWX 8-Hour is just that - the crew will last about eight hours before having to be put into quarters for a rest. The problem is that when you hit a storm everything is dramatically accelerated and they have to be swapped out every two hours, and that's impossible with a Type II and difficult with other boats.

The best selection with SH3C is No Fatigue. While not realistic in a literal sense, it's also not realistic that you would have to take each and every man by the hand and guide him to his bunk. SH4 fixed all that with automated watch bills and the crew taking care of themselves.

Sepp von Ch. · 10-22-12, 11:35 AM

Thanks Sailor Steve. I know this RuB supermod, but I can´t remember the fatigue system (and Rub 1x) in RuB. I use for long time GWX fatigue model.

RConch · 10-22-12, 12:47 PM

I play with the GWX-8hr, and as the crew gains experience they last longer it seems to me. I run a 12hr watch in normal conditions and crusing. By the third patrol, they show little to no fatigue after 8hrs to 12hrs.
Storms and battles wear them quicker and they are changed much more frequently still.

Just my observation.

Vipre · 10-22-12, 10:35 PM

Great question. I was wondering this exact thing but it didn't occur to me to ask about it.

I personally enjoy this bit of micro managing. I like having to choose when to use my best people and when to hold them in reserve, balancing between max compartment efficiency and the need to avoid being caught with an exhausted crew because I pushed them too hard too long.

A note on crew swapping though, as I've seen it repeated multiple times that you have to swap each guy out separately. You can swap out all tired crew at once in a compartment by, if I'm recalling the method properly, double clicking the compartment name. I do it manually because I like the compartment organized a certain way and because each crew member has a specific job and position.

Also a TC of around 128 or more I've noticed, at least in stock, turns off or at a minimum greatly slows down the fatigue system making long trips trough "empty" areas a non issue.

Sailor Steve · 10-22-12, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vipre

I do it manually because I like the compartment organized a certain way and because each crew member has a specific job and position.

Exactly. I used to do it exactly the same way. I find it less troublesome these days to turn the fatigue off. Another reason I prefer SH4. Not that I play it all that much. No Commander for SH4 and no MFM.

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Also a TC of around 128 or more I've noticed, at least in stock, turns off or at a minimum greatly slows down the fatigue system making long trips trough "empty" areas a non issue.

I also reset that using Commander. I feel like I'm cheating if things get turned off due to TC.

Vipre · 10-22-12, 11:00 PM

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I also reset that using Commander. I feel like I'm cheating if things get turned off due to TC.

Please explain. Did I miss a setting for that in Commander? I only saw the three options above and "SH3 default".

Sailor Steve · 10-22-12, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vipre

Please explain. Did I miss a setting for that in Commander? I only saw the three options above and "SH3 default".

It's in the TC settings. I don't have anything installed right now, so I can't look at it, but it's something like "Crew Animations". That's probably not it, but one of them makes it so Fatigue is the same at any TC.

vanjast · 10-26-12, 04:07 PM

Josef:
One thing that any of the fatigue models never take into account.. is the human ability to get very wired up in critical situations, no matter how tired you were, and can operate at maximum efficiency for many hours.

Setting No-Fatigue essentially models this type of behaviour. Not a true realism, but you can adjust the fatigue levels to your liking.

Raptor · 10-26-12, 04:31 PM

Or you can simply edit this file and put an end to fatique for all time:

C:/SilentHunterIII/Data/Cfg/Basic.cfg

[FATIGUE_COEF] replace all positive values with zero. Leave all negative values (found only in comp 6 and comp 7) untouched. This removes fatigue from the game so you don't have to spend a lot of time on crew management.

Example:

;comp5
RegularFactor50=0.01 <= change to 0.00
RegularFactor51=0.01 <= change to 0.00
SpecificFactor50=0.03 <= change to 0.00
SpecificFactor51=0.04 <= change to 0.00
BadWeather5=0.02 <= change to 0.00

;comp6
SpecificFactor60=-0.1 <= do not change
SpecificFactor61=-0.1 <= do not change

Sailor Steve · 10-26-12, 04:53 PM

Simply? With Commander you can click one button and be done with it.

Raptor · 10-26-12, 07:57 PM

But not everyone runs Commander.

For those of us who don't, this is the easy way out.

Sailor Steve · 10-26-12, 08:04 PM

Anyone who doesn't is missing out on the best part of the game.

10-22-12, 09:58 AM	#1
Sepp von Ch. Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In my U-552 and Tiger Posts: 1,732 Downloads: 788 Uploads: 0	Fatigue Model Rub vs. Rub 1xTc vs. GWX 8 hours Hello, what is the difference between Rub and Rub 1xTc and GWX 8 hours fatigue model (in SH3 Commander)? __________________ *U-552* *Tiger* *IDF*

10-22-12, 11:19 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	RUB (Real U-Boat) was the first SH3 supermod. It had an unusual fatigue system, in which fatigue went down very, very slowly. Putting men in the crew quarters would stop it going down, but could not be recovered; it never went back up. The idea was to represent overall fatigue, not just getting tired through an eight-hour shift. You had to be very careful to swap your men out on a regular basis or they would become useless. RUB 1x was an even more special Fatigue model, made exclusively for campaigning with no time compression ever. I'm not sure how it worked. GWX 8-Hour is just that - the crew will last about eight hours before having to be put into quarters for a rest. The problem is that when you hit a storm everything is dramatically accelerated and they have to be swapped out every two hours, and that's impossible with a Type II and difficult with other boats. The best selection with SH3C is No Fatigue. While not realistic in a literal sense, it's also not realistic that you would have to take each and every man by the hand and guide him to his bunk. SH4 fixed all that with automated watch bills and the crew taking care of themselves. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-22-12, 11:35 AM	#3
Sepp von Ch. Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In my U-552 and Tiger Posts: 1,732 Downloads: 788 Uploads: 0	Thanks Sailor Steve. I know this RuB supermod, but I can´t remember the fatigue system (and Rub 1x) in RuB. I use for long time GWX fatigue model. __________________ *U-552* *Tiger* *IDF* Last edited by Sepp von Ch.; 10-22-12 at 11:51 AM.

10-22-12, 12:47 PM	#4
RConch Captain Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: No. Virginia Posts: 619 Downloads: 518 Uploads: 0	I play with the GWX-8hr, and as the crew gains experience they last longer it seems to me. I run a 12hr watch in normal conditions and crusing. By the third patrol, they show little to no fatigue after 8hrs to 12hrs. Storms and battles wear them quicker and they are changed much more frequently still. Just my observation. __________________ "Noch und Noch" Prowling the Nord Atlantik with GWX 3.0.

10-22-12, 10:35 PM	#5
Vipre Seaman Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 34 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Great question. I was wondering this exact thing but it didn't occur to me to ask about it. I personally enjoy this bit of micro managing. I like having to choose when to use my best people and when to hold them in reserve, balancing between max compartment efficiency and the need to avoid being caught with an exhausted crew because I pushed them too hard too long. A note on crew swapping though, as I've seen it repeated multiple times that you have to swap each guy out separately. You can swap out all tired crew at once in a compartment by, if I'm recalling the method properly, double clicking the compartment name. I do it manually because I like the compartment organized a certain way and because each crew member has a specific job and position. Also a TC of around 128 or more I've noticed, at least in stock, turns off or at a minimum greatly slows down the fatigue system making long trips trough "empty" areas a non issue. Last edited by Vipre; 10-22-12 at 10:56 PM.

10-26-12, 04:07 PM	#9
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,733 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	Josef: One thing that any of the fatigue models never take into account.. is the human ability to get very wired up in critical situations, no matter how tired you were, and can operate at maximum efficiency for many hours. Setting No-Fatigue essentially models this type of behaviour. Not a true realism, but you can adjust the fatigue levels to your liking.

10-26-12, 04:31 PM	#10
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Or you can simply edit this file and put an end to fatique for all time: C:/SilentHunterIII/Data/Cfg/Basic.cfg [FATIGUE_COEF] replace all positive values with zero. Leave all negative values (found only in comp 6 and comp 7) untouched. This removes fatigue from the game so you don't have to spend a lot of time on crew management. Example: ;comp5 RegularFactor50=0.01 <= change to 0.00 RegularFactor51=0.01 <= change to 0.00 SpecificFactor50=0.03 <= change to 0.00 SpecificFactor51=0.04 <= change to 0.00 BadWeather5=0.02 <= change to 0.00 ;comp6 SpecificFactor60=-0.1 <= do not change SpecificFactor61=-0.1 <= do not change __________________ Raptor

10-26-12, 04:53 PM	#11
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Simply? With Commander you can click one button and be done with it. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-26-12, 07:57 PM	#12
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	But not everyone runs Commander. For those of us who don't, this is the easy way out. __________________ Raptor

10-26-12, 08:04 PM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Anyone who doesn't is missing out on the best part of the game. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo