Hillary Clinton takes responsibility for Libya US deaths

Gerald · 10-16-12, 10:02 AM

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Mrs Clinton said her "primary responsibility" was to keep people safe

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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says she takes responsibility for the security failure at the Benghazi consulate that led to the killing of four Americans in Libya last month.

Mrs Clinton said ensuring the safety of US diplomatic staff overseas was her job, not that of the White House.

US Republicans have strongly criticised President Barack Obama over the attack.

And Republican challenger Mitt Romney is likely to raise it again in the second campaign debate with Mr Obama.

"I take responsibility," Mrs Clinton told CNN. "I'm in charge of the state department's 60,000-plus people all over the world [at] 275 posts."

It seems Mrs Clinton is trying to draw criticism away from Mr Obama, who needs a strong debate performance if he is to recover his lead in the polls, says the BBC's Adam Brookes in Washington.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19958739

Note: 16 October 2012 Last updated at 11:24 GMT

Armistead · 10-16-12, 10:56 AM

Tis a lil late for this, so it will be see as a political move.

We all know possibly 1000's of possible threats or rumors abound in the world daily and it's hard to get them all right, but considering Libya, the ball was dropped.

GT182 · 10-16-12, 10:59 AM

She's semi responsible. The White House has the full responsibility to protect US citizens abroad in times of danger to their well being... especially for the American consulates abroad. If this had happened back in the time of Roosevelt it would have been declared an act of war.

mookiemookie · 10-16-12, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GT182

If this had happened back in the time of Roosevelt it would have been declared an act of war.

Who do you declare war on if the attacks weren't carried out by the Libyan government?

Takeda Shingen · 10-16-12, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Who do you declare war on if the attacks weren't carried out by the Libyan government?

And that's the whole problem with this Middle East thing. Who would we declare war on? The people that we are trying to keep out of power do not have a nation, or even a national identity.

August · 10-16-12, 11:23 AM

So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?

the_tyrant · 10-16-12, 11:26 AM

well, she is taking one for the team. I'm sure team r would be attacking team d in the debates over this, and she just took the hit for it

GT182 · 10-16-12, 11:32 AM

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Who do you declare war on if the attacks weren't carried out by the Libyan government?

You can't as they wear no uniform of any country. They could stand right next to you and you'd never know if they were your enemy or not. Brings you right back to Viet Nam and every war since then. Look at Russa in Afghanistan for 20 years and them finally realisng they couldn't win. Same with the US now, but we haven't learnt from others mistakes. Know too that the Libyan government could have stopped this act, but they didn't. They are also a part of the 'unkowns' mixed in and working along side with the ones waging war on us.

Think about this. We always try to helps those fighting against oppression, only to have them turn on us in the end. Makes no difference if it's a fight against Communism or terrorist rebels in some 3rd world country.

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And that's the whole problem with this Middle East thing. Who would we declare war on? The people that we are trying to keep out of power do not have a nation, or even a national identity.

Exactly! When you do not know who it is that wages war on you, you have lost that war right from the start.

August · 10-16-12, 11:32 AM

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well, she is taking one for the team. I'm sure team r would be attacking team d in the debates over this, and she just took the hit for it

What hit? Just saying the equivalent of "oh, my bad" is not taking a hit.

Besides if I were team R I'd still blame Obama loud and often in the debate tonight. Let him go on record as blaming Hillary or the "fog of war" or any other lame excuse because no matter what he'll come off as sounding like he's trying to duck what is ultimately his responsibility.

10-16-12, 11:34 AM

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So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?

Did any of the other 5 secretaries of State resign when ambassadors who were their responsibility got murdered?

GT182 · 10-16-12, 11:37 AM

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Let him go on record as blaming Hillary or the "fog of war" or any other lame excuse because no matter what he'll come off as sounding like he's trying to duck what is ultimately his responsibility.

True too. She works for him and him alone. He is the ultimate one making US policy, and she carries out his policy... not her own no matter what she thinks to the contrary.

mookiemookie · 10-16-12, 11:59 AM

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Did any of the other 5 secretaries of State resign when ambassadors who were their responsibility got murdered?

Oh you see, that was different then...

Skybird · 10-16-12, 12:04 PM

She's late. The info that the WH turned down armed security and replaced it with local security guards and unarmed American guards to avoid the embassy giving the impression to Libyans to be a bully armed to the teeth, is known since longer. She seems to run a Kamikaze now to destract according accusations aiming at Obama, short before the elections.

They thought they could ignore realities and feedback from experts at location in favor of their superior desktop imaginations and glorious blueprints for a politically correct future. Four people payed with their lives for this excercise in apparatchiks' surrealism.

10-16-12, 12:10 PM

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Oh you see, that was different then...

of course

Now if billary wanted to shift the blame, she could blame the dumb bucks who blocked the millions of dollars which were supposed to be going for security.
But that would just be silly partisanship like we are witnessing if she blamed team R for stopping the funding

Rockstar · 10-16-12, 12:22 PM

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And that's the whole problem with this Middle East thing. Who would we declare war on? The people that we are trying to keep out of power do not have a nation, or even a national identity.

Sink the whole United States into another war and nation building exercise just as we are getting out of two others? Forget the flag waving and banners of freedom and democracy crap. Fight like the terrorists send the SEALs over there to and give them a taste of their own medicine under cover of darkness. I dont want to know about it and its cheaper.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	She's late. The info that the WH turned down armed security and replaced it with local security guards and unarmed American guards to avoid the embassy giving the impression to Libyans to be a bully armed to the teeth, is known since longer. She seems to run a Kamikaze now to destract according accusations aiming at Obama, short before the elections. They thought they could ignore realities and feedback from experts at location in favor of their superior desktop imaginations and glorious blueprints for a politically correct future. Four people payed with their lives for this excercise in apparatchiks' surrealism. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Tis a lil late for this, so it will be see as a political move. We all know possibly 1000's of possible threats or rumors abound in the world daily and it's hard to get them all right, but considering Libya, the ball was dropped.