So Germany's selling subs to Egypt and the U.S is paying for them ???

[yubba]

Funny how stories fall together,, front page of subsim Germany to sell subs to Egypt,, NY Times,, US House blocks 450 million dollars to Egypts government, friday afternoon sept 28 ...Mind you this is only theory as of now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/wo...nce.html?_r=1&

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120904-44755.html
So why does the United States need to give Egypt anything but a swift kick in the butt,,,So why does Egypt need 2 attack subs ??? Well if you hadn't let our embassy burn you might have got your nice shiney sub wouldn't have you.

[geetrue]

The USA use to pay Egypt 2 Billion US dollars a year to leave Israel alone, but that deal is probably long gone by now.

The world navies have so many subs in and under the oceans that you will need an F-22 multi tasking CIC submarine to track them all.

I sugest a diesel boat that can be replaced every two weeks by another diesel boat kept maintained by a nuclear surface ship sub tender, but that would take an act of congress which is little busy right now passing a budget that has not been met in years ...

in fact I don't even think there has been a budget in years.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by yubba

,So why does Egypt need 2 attack subs ???

Tracking and eliminating Israeli Dolphin-class boats which with 99% probability carry nuclear missiles.

Israel intervened on this story, and the German government said they will reconsider the sale - whatever that should mean. Could very well mean "we reconsidered it and sell the subs nevertheless". Merkel has loosened tight rules on German arms exports to help German weapon makers who suffer from defense budget cuts. At the same time Germany heavily subsidised Israeli submarines.

Saudi Arabia wanted to buy up to 800 German Leopard2 tanks of the latest version. Tanks are in no high demand in Western armies anymore. And Krauss-Mafai feels it.

Personally I am strictly against any military item sales and technology transfers. While for politicians military platforms are just trade goods like any other, to me they are primarily means of combat. And when I have good weapons, I hide them, not handing them around to potential enemies, or untrustworthy friends selling them to rogues and potential enemies. Military and weapon trade should be globally banned by a treaty like the nuclear anti-proliferation treaties.

Selling military weapons to foreign nations is one of the few maximum callibre categories of major crime were I accept execution as a sanction by the legal system, preemptively. That includes policy-makers as well as legal or illegal producers delivering them to foreign customer nations directly, and of course smugglers as well as men-in-the-middle traders.

Trading military platforms and systems in my understanding also often is a form of high treason.

[soopaman2]

No matter what...

We always "pay".

Someone elses turn to "pay"

I am sick of picking up the tab. You guys always drink too much, and always order the most expensive entrees.

Then your all drunk and loud on the way home, while I am pissed my wallet is empty.
I feel like Chris Moltisante from the Sopranos.
I am not eating with you guys again.

[yubba]

Ahhhwww com on I haven't been out on the town in some time,, I promise I'll behave,,

[soopaman2]

Exception made for Yubba.

[yubba]

cool beans,, now where did I put those darn dancing shoes,, look out wenches here we com,, I was on my way out of pearl on a 688 and I ctd. then I was transported back in time and was on a VII boat to check out the new torpedo room and that mod did not like gwx open hatch mod. But I did manage to get around trip flight from florida to new york for a 150 bucks for my annual deer hunt and coyote shoot,,, pops said the coyotes are every where and they are eaten the neighbors cats like marshmellows.