"Sir, our deck gun and AA guns have been nicked!" "Err, ping... Herr Kaluen?"

Outeniqua · 06-06-09, 06:17 PM

1) In my US campaign, I currently have a Balao Class. The problem I have is, I cannot use the deck gun nor the AA guns. The deck and AA guns show in my damage management, but not in my equipment page. Only the deck gun is shown. Also, neither the deck gun nor the AA guns can be seen in 3D when I am using free cam nor when on the bridge. Manning the stations has no effect and I can't manually control them.

My crew managment also does not reflect the changes made by RFB with regards to Hogan's alley and the conning tower. If I start a new campaign, single mission, war patrol, all these features are available. Any ideas?

2) I am unable to find active sonar when in command of U-boats. I can play without it, but I enjoyed using active sonar especially with the XXI in SH3. I see the button when at the hydrophone station, but alas, it has no function. Any ideas? Am I looking at the wrong place? Is there a key? Is it modeled in SH4UBM?

The mods I am currently using are, in order, RFB -> RSRD -> OM.

Thank you for your kind attention.

Kapitan Soniboy · 06-06-09, 08:06 PM

2) Have you upgraded your u-boat with a sonar device?

Outeniqua · 06-06-09, 08:16 PM

I started a campaign in a training flotilla with the Type-XXI. For sonar, it only puts balkongerat by default on the boat. The only equipment available in port to fit on the boat is different radar. The particular campaign is now in Jan '45. I have not seen active sonar available as an upgrade yet, but am sure that it was available earlier than Jan 1945. I clearly recall having active sonar available in SH3, if I am not mistaken, pre 1944. (Kindly correct me if this in incorrect.)

Do you have to fit the upgrade though? If so, when does it become available?

Kapitan Soniboy · 06-06-09, 08:32 PM

I now remember that I have never seen active sonar on the u-boats in SH4, altough I know they had it during the 1944-45 period. Maybe the developers "forgot" to give them active sonar just like they "forgot" the snorkel...

Btw the submarine you are playing is a XVIII, not an XXI. The XVIII had an experimental propulsion system called the Walter system but the XXI was easier to build. Hehe just wanted to tell you.

Outeniqua · 06-06-09, 09:02 PM

Actually, it is the XXI. RFB (or is it OM) removes the Walther boat, and makes the XXI available instead.

It saddens me that I am unable to use active sonar. Loved being at 30m with the XXI and doing tracks with sonar only, then firing some T5's.

I have made some headway regarding the problem with the guns in the Balao, though. I replaced the 5/25 bow and stern with a 4/50 bow only and am now able to crew it and man it myself. Unfortunately no AA guns. In my damage control screen it shows the 2x 40mm guns. In port, it shows no AA mounts nor allows me to change the guns.

Outeniqua · 06-07-09, 01:10 PM

Okidoki, while patrolling off the marianas, I flipped through the F1 Help screen. Lo and behold in the hydrophone section it states that u-boats only had passive listening, while US boats had both active sonar and listening hydrophones. So problem regarding sonar resolved, U-boats don't get em.

My question though is, is that accurate? Did U-boats not have active sonar in WW2?

Stealhead · 06-07-09, 03:51 PM

Only the US Navy subs had active sonar fielded on submarines in WWII.U-boats had none not that I am aware of.

Outeniqua · 06-07-09, 05:41 PM

Noted. Thanks for clearing that up. Now only to figure out why my Balao doesn't have AA guns and the new crew management. It's peculiar... in my damage control, I see the guns. Fore and aft 40mm. I don't see the guns when I look at the gear page while at sea, nor do I see them in sub management while in port. When I use free cam, the guns aren't visible phisically on the boat, but in crew management it has the slots for both fore and aft positions to crew, which I have done, but no guns.

Any ideas?

Torplexed · 06-07-09, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Only the US Navy subs had active sonar fielded on submarines in WWII.U-boats had none not that I am aware of.

The Germans did eventually field the S-Gerät active sonar device on a cylindrical mount below the bow in their Type XXI U-boats. There were various attempts to retro-fit earlier models of active sonar gear in U-boats, but many captains mistrusted the devices, fearing their use would give their position away.

Stealhead · 06-07-09, 07:19 PM

That is true but only 2 war patrols where completed by the XXI and only 4 of around 118 made where good enough to be commisined by the Germans so it pretty much does not count compared to the US subs which did hundreds of patrols and all did have active sonar. I am taking into consideration weapons that actually made a noteable contribution to thier nations war effort. The XXI was really too advanced to be useful in WWII but it did bring about alot of good ideas to futre submarine design.

GalaxianFive · 09-07-12, 06:32 AM

I too am missing the AA guns fore and aft from my balao class sub after upgrading to 1.5 and running RFB 2.0 with patch. Running TMO 2.5 they are ok, its only RFB that has the problem. Anybody solved this as I don't want to leave port without them, and don't want to lose my current carrear.

06-06-09, 06:17 PM	#1
Outeniqua Mate Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 51 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	"Sir, our deck gun and AA guns have been nicked!" "Err, ping... Herr Kaluen?" 1) In my US campaign, I currently have a Balao Class. The problem I have is, I cannot use the deck gun nor the AA guns. The deck and AA guns show in my damage management, but not in my equipment page. Only the deck gun is shown. Also, neither the deck gun nor the AA guns can be seen in 3D when I am using free cam nor when on the bridge. Manning the stations has no effect and I can't manually control them. My crew managment also does not reflect the changes made by RFB with regards to Hogan's alley and the conning tower. If I start a new campaign, single mission, war patrol, all these features are available. Any ideas? 2) I am unable to find active sonar when in command of U-boats. I can play without it, but I enjoyed using active sonar especially with the XXI in SH3. I see the button when at the hydrophone station, but alas, it has no function. Any ideas? Am I looking at the wrong place? Is there a key? Is it modeled in SH4UBM? The mods I am currently using are, in order, RFB -> RSRD -> OM. Thank you for your kind attention. __________________ "Submarines are under handed, unfair and damned un-English." - A British observer, 1902 MODS: SH 3 GWX 3 SH 4 1.5 TMO 2.5 SH 5 TWOS DW RA 1.42

06-06-09, 08:16 PM	#3
Outeniqua Mate Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 51 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	I started a campaign in a training flotilla with the Type-XXI. For sonar, it only puts balkongerat by default on the boat. The only equipment available in port to fit on the boat is different radar. The particular campaign is now in Jan '45. I have not seen active sonar available as an upgrade yet, but am sure that it was available earlier than Jan 1945. I clearly recall having active sonar available in SH3, if I am not mistaken, pre 1944. (Kindly correct me if this in incorrect.) Do you have to fit the upgrade though? If so, when does it become available? __________________ "Submarines are under handed, unfair and damned un-English." - A British observer, 1902 MODS: SH 3 GWX 3 SH 4 1.5 TMO 2.5 SH 5 TWOS DW RA 1.42

06-06-09, 09:02 PM	#5
Outeniqua Mate Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 51 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	Actually, it is the XXI. RFB (or is it OM) removes the Walther boat, and makes the XXI available instead. It saddens me that I am unable to use active sonar. Loved being at 30m with the XXI and doing tracks with sonar only, then firing some T5's. I have made some headway regarding the problem with the guns in the Balao, though. I replaced the 5/25 bow and stern with a 4/50 bow only and am now able to crew it and man it myself. Unfortunately no AA guns. In my damage control screen it shows the 2x 40mm guns. In port, it shows no AA mounts nor allows me to change the guns. __________________ "Submarines are under handed, unfair and damned un-English." - A British observer, 1902 MODS: SH 3 GWX 3 SH 4 1.5 TMO 2.5 SH 5 TWOS DW RA 1.42

06-07-09, 01:10 PM	#6
Outeniqua Mate Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 51 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	Okidoki, while patrolling off the marianas, I flipped through the F1 Help screen. Lo and behold in the hydrophone section it states that u-boats only had passive listening, while US boats had both active sonar and listening hydrophones. So problem regarding sonar resolved, U-boats don't get em. My question though is, is that accurate? Did U-boats not have active sonar in WW2? __________________ "Submarines are under handed, unfair and damned un-English." - A British observer, 1902 MODS: SH 3 GWX 3 SH 4 1.5 TMO 2.5 SH 5 TWOS DW RA 1.42

06-07-09, 05:41 PM	#8
Outeniqua Mate Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 51 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	Noted. Thanks for clearing that up. Now only to figure out why my Balao doesn't have AA guns and the new crew management. It's peculiar... in my damage control, I see the guns. Fore and aft 40mm. I don't see the guns when I look at the gear page while at sea, nor do I see them in sub management while in port. When I use free cam, the guns aren't visible phisically on the boat, but in crew management it has the slots for both fore and aft positions to crew, which I have done, but no guns. Any ideas? __________________ "Submarines are under handed, unfair and damned un-English." - A British observer, 1902 MODS: SH 3 GWX 3 SH 4 1.5 TMO 2.5 SH 5 TWOS DW RA 1.42

06-06-09, 08:06 PM	#2
Kapitan Soniboy Torpedoman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 114 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	2) Have you upgraded your u-boat with a sonar device?

06-06-09, 08:32 PM	#4
Kapitan Soniboy Torpedoman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 114 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I now remember that I have never seen active sonar on the u-boats in SH4, altough I know they had it during the 1944-45 period. Maybe the developers "forgot" to give them active sonar just like they "forgot" the snorkel... Btw the submarine you are playing is a XVIII, not an XXI. The XVIII had an experimental propulsion system called the Walter system but the XXI was easier to build. Hehe just wanted to tell you.

06-07-09, 03:51 PM	#7
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Only the US Navy subs had active sonar fielded on submarines in WWII.U-boats had none not that I am aware of.

06-07-09, 07:19 PM	#10
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	That is true but only 2 war patrols where completed by the XXI and only 4 of around 118 made where good enough to be commisined by the Germans so it pretty much does not count compared to the US subs which did hundreds of patrols and all did have active sonar. I am taking into consideration weapons that actually made a noteable contribution to thier nations war effort. The XXI was really too advanced to be useful in WWII but it did bring about alot of good ideas to futre submarine design.

09-07-12, 06:32 AM	#11
GalaxianFive A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Norwich UK Posts: 80 Downloads: 183 Uploads: 2	I too am missing the AA guns fore and aft from my balao class sub after upgrading to 1.5 and running RFB 2.0 with patch. Running TMO 2.5 they are ok, its only RFB that has the problem. Anybody solved this as I don't want to leave port without them, and don't want to lose my current carrear.