Hardcore enough to not reload after death?

goldensleeve · 05-15-12, 10:47 AM

Hello! Im new here. Was wondering if any people here are commited to the historical sim approach enough to refuse to reload a save after dying, but instead go ahead and abandon the career and start a new one?

I gotta admit, Ive always wanted to do this consistently, but goldurn if it can be hard after getting pretty far along! Anyone disciplined enough to do this 100%?

Herr-Berbunch · 05-15-12, 10:50 AM

I think a lot of people finish one career and start another from that time. It's a good way of working through to the end and reaching those moments when it becomes a bit harder, like the increase in allied air power in 1942 (iirc). It's something I always said I'd do, but only did it a couple of times before I'd lose a save and I'd think 'sod it - back to the beginning!'.

It's certainly better, and more realistic than going the whole way with just one guy!

Wolfstriked · 05-15-12, 11:07 AM

Play the game with this in mind and you will not put yourself into bad circumstances.What I mean is that if you take the time and set up attacks so you can get their accurate course and then plan an attack correctly so you can avoid being attacked in the first place.If you attack from a decent range and then dive and go silent the DD's most likely will never find you.Players will get in close and be desperate to get tonnage and this causes easy deaths.

andwii · 05-15-12, 11:28 AM

the only time ive ever done this is when the death was a cause of high time compression collison, acdently hitting D(my cat did that once, I died) or in one case I was in the middle of the convoy and I got a message saying we were under attack, turns out for some reason the ship surfaced and I didnt press anything. lol

JFU · 05-15-12, 11:42 AM

I start a new one if i die, i didint first but then i found myself playing sloppy and not thinking my attacks to the end, this way like other have said, i dont put myself in a stupid position that might end with my death justbecause i was to greedy on the tonnage.

goldensleeve · 05-15-12, 11:46 AM

I like it! Im inspired to go ahead and commit

. No more cheating. It's gonna make me enjoy the game that much more, cause really it's the most you can do for yourself as far as taking a step towards "realistic" feel! Makes actions much more commiting. How often have I wished I had saves in my real life?

Osmium Steele · 05-15-12, 11:48 AM

I always have one D.I.D. (Dead Is Dead) campaign going; starting in Sept. '39. However, I have quite a few others going as well to learn late war skills. I'm less stringent with those, but if I do something stupid, I'll play it D.I.D. as well.

Sailor Steve · 05-15-12, 12:16 PM

Dead Is Dead. As others have mentioned, I do reload if the cause is absolutely nothing to do with me. If I screw up and they kill me, I'm dead.

On the other hand I have a constant cheat going: Ever since my SH1 days when they offered me two different options for starting the war, I've always run simultaneous careers, one from each available command. If one of the dies, or retires, I start a new one from that flotilla at the same month. Since I use the 'Realistic Career' option in SH3 Commander, sooner or later every career ends whether I die or not. If I ever reach 1942 I'm going to have a lot going on with SH3, SH4 and SH4 U-Boats all at the same time.

Gargamel · 05-15-12, 08:52 PM

I have yet to not play a DiD career. I've had playtime careers, with weird settings and such to try things, but any career that I plan on playing more than a few patrols is DiD.

Captain Nemo · 05-16-12, 01:47 AM

I play DiD but have to admit it's gutting to get sunk when you have made significant progress through the war.

Nemo

Hinrich Schwab · 05-16-12, 02:39 PM

Dead-is-Dead is normally how I play. It is the only way to take the simulator seriously. One is much more cognizant of making mistakes and avoiding "Bernard" tactics when screwing up means permanent game over. The only exception is in the wake of a game crash or a critical bug that results in an unexpected loss. I have learned in both lost careers and aborted patrols that Time Compression is not your friend. This is true even if you never exceed 128x to avoid the weather bug.

UndertheEagle · 05-16-12, 03:34 PM

I have to admit, I try to stick to dead-is-dead. If I am unlucky enough to be sunk whilst attempting to attack a ship/convoy (or run into some Flower Class randomly sailing about!!) then it's a fair cop and my Captain is dead.

Accidently hitting C whilst not concentrating is room for a reload however!!

Sailor Steve · 05-16-12, 03:59 PM

WELCOME ABOARD!

UndertheEagle · 05-16-12, 04:01 PM

Cheers!

Sailor Steve · 05-16-12, 04:03 PM

The original question used the word "hardcore". You want "hardcore"? I'll give you "hardcore".

Take your career very seriously. Among the people I tabletop game with we have a running joke. Anytime anyone talks about "serious" gaming we propose that if my dice kill one of your figures on the table, I get to smash it with a Hammer. Figs cost money and a lot of effort goes into painting them, so this is a challenge that nobody ever accepts.

So, if you want hardcore, try this: The next time you die and lose a career, put the game away and don't touch it for a year. Or a month, if you prefer.

05-15-12, 10:47 AM	#1
goldensleeve Swabbie Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Hardcore enough to not reload after death? Hello! Im new here. Was wondering if any people here are commited to the historical sim approach enough to refuse to reload a save after dying, but instead go ahead and abandon the career and start a new one? I gotta admit, Ive always wanted to do this consistently, but goldurn if it can be hard after getting pretty far along! Anyone disciplined enough to do this 100%?

05-15-12, 10:50 AM	#2
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	I think a lot of people finish one career and start another from that time. It's a good way of working through to the end and reaching those moments when it becomes a bit harder, like the increase in allied air power in 1942 (iirc). It's something I always said I'd do, but only did it a couple of times before I'd lose a save and I'd think 'sod it - back to the beginning!'. It's certainly better, and more realistic than going the whole way with just one guy! __________________

05-15-12, 11:48 AM	#7
Osmium Steele Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Upper midwest USA Posts: 1,101 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I always have one D.I.D. (Dead Is Dead) campaign going; starting in Sept. '39. However, I have quite a few others going as well to learn late war skills. I'm less stringent with those, but if I do something stupid, I'll play it D.I.D. as well. __________________ In the month of July of the year 1348, between the feasts of St. Benedict and of St. Swithin, a strange thing came upon England... My U297 build thread

05-15-12, 12:16 PM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Dead Is Dead. As others have mentioned, I do reload if the cause is absolutely nothing to do with me. If I screw up and they kill me, I'm dead. On the other hand I have a constant cheat going: Ever since my SH1 days when they offered me two different options for starting the war, I've always run simultaneous careers, one from each available command. If one of the dies, or retires, I start a new one from that flotilla at the same month. Since I use the 'Realistic Career' option in SH3 Commander, sooner or later every career ends whether I die or not. If I ever reach 1942 I'm going to have a lot going on with SH3, SH4 and SH4 U-Boats all at the same time. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-15-12, 08:52 PM	#9
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	I have yet to not play a DiD career. I've had playtime careers, with weird settings and such to try things, but any career that I plan on playing more than a few patrols is DiD. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

05-15-12, 11:07 AM	#3
Wolfstriked Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 756 Downloads: 237 Uploads: 0	Play the game with this in mind and you will not put yourself into bad circumstances.What I mean is that if you take the time and set up attacks so you can get their accurate course and then plan an attack correctly so you can avoid being attacked in the first place.If you attack from a decent range and then dive and go silent the DD's most likely will never find you.Players will get in close and be desperate to get tonnage and this causes easy deaths.

05-15-12, 11:28 AM	#4
andwii Frogman Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Bridge of U-123 Posts: 300 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	the only time ive ever done this is when the death was a cause of high time compression collison, acdently hitting D(my cat did that once, I died) or in one case I was in the middle of the convoy and I got a message saying we were under attack, turns out for some reason the ship surfaced and I didnt press anything. lol

05-15-12, 11:42 AM	#5
JFU Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I start a new one if i die, i didint first but then i found myself playing sloppy and not thinking my attacks to the end, this way like other have said, i dont put myself in a stupid position that might end with my death justbecause i was to greedy on the tonnage.

05-15-12, 11:46 AM	#6
goldensleeve Swabbie Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I like it! Im inspired to go ahead and commit . No more cheating. It's gonna make me enjoy the game that much more, cause really it's the most you can do for yourself as far as taking a step towards "realistic" feel! Makes actions much more commiting. How often have I wished I had saves in my real life?

05-16-12, 01:47 AM	#10
Captain Nemo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 1,144 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	I play DiD but have to admit it's gutting to get sunk when you have made significant progress through the war. Nemo __________________ "I'm afraid there is no disguising the fact that King's obsession with the Pacific and the Battle of Washington cost us dear in the Battle of the Atlantic". Sir John Slessor GCB, DSO, MC, DL AOC-in-C Coastal Command RAF ___________________________________________

05-16-12, 02:39 PM	#11
Hinrich Schwab Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 908 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Dead-is-Dead is normally how I play. It is the only way to take the simulator seriously. One is much more cognizant of making mistakes and avoiding "Bernard" tactics when screwing up means permanent game over. The only exception is in the wake of a game crash or a critical bug that results in an unexpected loss. I have learned in both lost careers and aborted patrols that Time Compression is not your friend. This is true even if you never exceed 128x to avoid the weather bug.

05-16-12, 03:34 PM	#12
UndertheEagle Nub Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 3 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I have to admit, I try to stick to dead-is-dead. If I am unlucky enough to be sunk whilst attempting to attack a ship/convoy (or run into some Flower Class randomly sailing about!!) then it's a fair cop and my Captain is dead. Accidently hitting C whilst not concentrating is room for a reload however!!

05-16-12, 03:59 PM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	WELCOME ABOARD! __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-16-12, 04:01 PM	#14
UndertheEagle Nub Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 3 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Cheers!

05-16-12, 04:03 PM	#15
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The original question used the word "hardcore". You want "hardcore"? I'll give you "hardcore". Take your career very seriously. Among the people I tabletop game with we have a running joke. Anytime anyone talks about "serious" gaming we propose that if my dice kill one of your figures on the table, I get to smash it with a Hammer. Figs cost money and a lot of effort goes into painting them, so this is a challenge that nobody ever accepts. So, if you want hardcore, try this: The next time you die and lose a career, put the game away and don't touch it for a year. Or a month, if you prefer. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo