Escapee from NK Concentration camp

[August]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04...ntration-camp/

To understand North Korea, you must first wrap your mind around the utter horror of its gulag system. More than 200,000 men, women and children are currently interned in these concentration death camps. Only 3 people have ever escaped. Fox News interviewed one of them this week. The man's name is Shin Dong-hyuk. He was born inside Camp 14, the notorious labor camp for political dissidents just south of the North Korean capital, Pyongyang.

Three generations suffer for one persons political crime. Imagine.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Three generations suffer for one persons political crime. Imagine.

Its the glorious Democratic Peoples Republic, the only thing surprising in the article is that there was cattle at the camp and the cattle had been fed corn.

[Diopos]

These are the fruits of division. But bare in mind that this is not a communist state "exclusive". In Greece and after the post WW2 civil war, people suffered prosecution and exclusion almost for 30 years. Check also the recent history of Portugal and Spain. Of course in these cases the bad guys (or their parents) were of a left political orientation.



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[August]

Originally Posted by Diopos

These are the fruits of division. But bare in mind that this is not a communist state "exclusive". In Greece and after the post WW2 civil war, people suffered prosecution and exclusion almost for 30 years. Check also the recent history of Portugal and Spain. Of course in these cases the bad guys (or their parents) were of a left political orientation.



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You're right. This is all about the lengths that the Kim dynasty will go in order to maintain power.

[Jimbuna]

Scratch NK off my list of vacation destinations...not that it was ever on it.

[Hottentot]

I could swear I have read that exact article a long time ago already, but Fox dates is as a recent one. I even remember originally finding the link to the article from Subsim.

I'm from the future and even I didn't know it back then.

[kranz]

A true story. I remember that when me and my mum were watching the people shaking and crying after Kim Jong-il death my mum asked: are they only acting, or what? And I said: yeah, because if you don't tremble and cry convincing enough you are sent to a concentration camp. A month later we were watching a TV news and we learned that 3 men in some city in NK were sent to c.c. after a denunciation saying that "they were not mournful enough".

There is a good documentary, maybe some of you have already seen it, it's called The Yodok Stories. It's about people who escaped from the Yodok camp and about a man who was a guard there.

There is also a good book concerning the commie regime in general by V. Suvorov, The Last Republic. The main argument made by the author is: Is it possible to create a perfect system of detention?
Don't want to give you any spoilers bcoz it's definitely a good read. (even if you are prejudiced against V.Suvorov)

[August]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

I could swear I have read that exact article a long time ago already, but Fox dates is as a recent one. I even remember originally finding the link to the article from Subsim.

I'm from the future and even I didn't know it back then.

Maybe it was one of the other two known escapees mentioned in the article.

Maybe the cracks in the wall are starting to widen?

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by August

Maybe it was one of the other two known escapees mentioned in the article.

Possibly. I'm sure this is not the first time I've heard of this, but what struck me as odd was how even the wording choices in the article felt very familiar. I tried searching older threads with the word "concentration", but didn't come up with anything relevant. Just threads relating to the Nazis and, weirdly enough, lots of threads concerning Obama.

Maybe the cracks in the wall are starting to widen?

That's something we can all hope for.

[_dgn_]

Concentration camp ? Now ?

Odd ! I thought that they all had been released in 1945 when Fascism had been overcome by the democracies ...

[kranz]

Originally Posted by _dgn_

Concentration camp ? Now ?

Odd ! I thought that they all had been released in 1945 when Fascism had been overcome by the democracies ...

you are probably talking about the 'democracies' which throughout the war supported the world's biggest system of labor camps
(not to mention the genocide of the Polish officers...but hey, there were more important issues than a few "Polacks" )

ok, coming back to NK....

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by kranz

you are probably talking about the 'democracies' which throughout the war supported the world's biggest system of labor camps
(not to mention the genocide of the Polish officers...but hey, there were more important issues than a few "Polacks" )

ok, coming back to NK....

Yes....let us keep on topic please

Not that I don't agree with what is obvious angst about what happened to your countrymen.

[_dgn_]

Originally Posted by kranz

you are probably talking about the 'democracies' which throughout the war supported the world's biggest system of labor camps
(not to mention the genocide of the Polish officers...but hey, there were more important issues than a few "Polacks" )

ok, coming back to NK....

Sorry ! It was only irony.

I don't forget that if Germany attacked Poland on September 3, 1939, Soviet Union did the same thing on September 17. So half of Polish country was thus protected from the German cruelty by the generous Soviets. They even released their sector from tyrants (officers, policemen, students, intellectuals ...), who oppressed Polishs. These tyrants were perhaps "rehabilitated" in the sector of Katyn ...

When Andrzej Wajda carried out its film on this particular and personal subject (his father disappeared in these circumstances), there was not much publicity on its release in France. Few cinemas (a dozen in France !!!) presented it to the public. And some newspapers (close to the communist ideology) wrote in 2009 (!!!) that there was not a total certainty on the Soviet responsibility. About the presence of these pernicious ideas in the contemporary French society (teaching, press, media, political life, trade unions ...), please see another post :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...08&postcount=6

Somebody wrote here about the "essence of word war II". In 1939, it was to defend Poland and other maltreated countries, like Finland (attacked by Soviets on November 1939). For this reason, Soviet Union was expelled of the League of Nations.

Poland was again free in 1944, still thanks to the Red Army. But only after the Warsaw Uprising, when German killed the remaining ("not shot in 1940") Polish tyrants (officers, policemen, students, intellectuals ...).

And a great part of the Polish territories of 1939 were annexed by the Soviets, without a noise nor a protest from the defenders of freedom.

"Essence of word war II" ? The country who made crimes against peace (attacks against Poland and Finland), war crimes, crimes against humanity (mainly with "forcible transfer of population") in 1939/1940 was cleaned in 1944/1945, when this country continued its same practices. Become judge, this country tried to make take the responsibility for the one of its crimes (Katyn) to the German defendant ...

The ideology replaced the reality : democracies, the "free world", helped by Soviets, overcome "Fascism". The Good overcame the Evil. So Soviet Union could not belong to the Evil. So, the events of the beginning of the war ? Forgotten ! The decisions (or international judgments) of the beginning of the war ? Forgotten ! The principle of the respect of the borders ? Forgotten !

But about "the world's biggest system of labor camps", I agree with you : no doubt about its ideolology. And it's always active ! (=> late return to the subject of this thread ...)

Cheers.

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PS: Perhaps I am mistaken on the history of Poland. Please, thank you to indicate my possible errors.