Obamacare arguments in the Supreme Court-Day 1

[Bubblehead1980]

Well, what is possibly the biggest case the Supreme Court has heard in a while is being heard this week as arguments began today.The big day is tomorrow when arguments on the individual mandate are answered but the government's lawyer did have a bit of a flop today as he could not keep with the truth about whether the fine is a "tax" or "penalty", despite Obama's words calling it a tax.

Should be interesting, as the future of healthcare and liberty is at stake.

[gimpy117]

well, if we had just gone with the original idea, and not let the right wing water it down at the bequest of the insurance companies; with a few dems in tow...we wouldn't have this issue

[mookiemookie]

Oh great. He titles it "Day 1." Implying that he's going to have a running day by day commentary. I know we're all waiting with bated breath for his insightful, well reasoned and even handed analysis. Well, except for those of us that have him on ignore. Which is to say a lot of us.

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

well, if we had just gone with the original idea, and not let the right wing water it down at the bequest of the insurance companies; with a few dems in tow...we wouldn't have this issue

Nice bit of revisionism you got going on there. The Democrats held filibuster proof majorities in both houses of congress as well as controlled the oval office. You can't blame the republicans for this mess. That's all on your party.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Oh great. He titles it "Day 1." Implying that he's going to have a running day by day commentary. I know we're all waiting with bated breath for his insightful, well reasoned and even handed analysis. Well, except for those of us that have him on ignore. Which is to say a lot of us.

Yet you still were drawn to his thread like a moth to a flame. Dance moth dance!

[JSLTIGER]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

well, if we had just gone with the original idea, and not let the right wing water it down at the bequest of the insurance companies; with a few dems in tow...we wouldn't have this issue

On the contrary, my biggest point of contention about the plan is the purchase mandate, which would have been a part of the bill regardless of any meddling by the insurance companies.

From my own understanding of Constitutional Law (and yes, folks, I am a licensed attorney), I personally believe that any law requiring the purchase of an item by the Federal government is unconstitutional. I know that proponents of Obamacare argue that it's similar to collision coverage on an automobile, but last I checked, there is no requirement to own a car. Therefore, the requirement to have coverage only applies to those who choose to own one and is an entirely different animal.

I actually fear the consequences should SCOTUS come to a conclusion other than this, as a consequence of the "slippery slope." If the government can force us to buy healthcare insurance, then what is to stop them from forcing us to buy other products that we may not actually need?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by JSLTIGER

On the contrary, my biggest point of contention about the plan is the purchase mandate, which would have been a part of the bill regardless of any meddling by the insurance companies.

From my own understanding of Constitutional Law (and yes, folks, I am a licensed attorney), I personally believe that any law requiring the purchase of an item by the Federal government is unconstitutional. I know that proponents of Obamacare argue that it's similar to collision coverage on an automobile, but last I checked, there is no requirement to own a car. Therefore, the requirement to have coverage only applies to those who choose to own one and is an entirely different animal.

I think most people who use the car insurance argument are woefully ignorant of the constitution and it's limit on federal power.I laugh at the idiots who try to use that argument.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Yet you still were drawn to his thread like a moth to a flame. Dance moth dance!

Yes! It's fun...like watching someone about to make a mistake. You can't bear to look away.

Oh great. He titles it "Day 1." Implying that he's going to have a running day by day commentary.

But isn't the hearing already over?
Bubbles declared the results already.

[Skybird]

Great show, the American Freedom Union versus the United Union for Freedom in America, with the True Free Americans in the midsts of it and the Independent Union of American Freedom Fighters preparing at the sideline.

All this talking about liberty and true Americanship reminds of a certain Monthy Python sketch, doesn't it?!

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Yes! It's fun...like watching someone about to make a mistake. You can't bear to look away.

You're a good egg Mookie!

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

But isn't the hearing already over?
Bubbles declared the results already.

No, three days of arguments for this one.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Yes! It's fun...like watching someone about to make a mistake. You can't bear to look away.

Please mookie, explain why obamacare is constitutional? Again, don't insult me, just prove me wrong.Wait, you can't or can you? Lets see...

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I don't see Bubbles' posts (and in no way am I going to press that "view post" button) I just comment generally that this is going to be interesting case. "Buy this or else..." law sounds like something that should not pass SCOTUS unscathed but I'm not surprised if it does.

[Osmium Steele]

Originally Posted by Skybird

All this talking about liberty and true Americanship reminds of a certain Monthy Python sketch, doesn't it?!

We have yet to hear from the People's Front of Judea!