Great German SECRETS / Großdeutsche Geheimstützpunkte

[Tomi_099]

Interesting Storis for more interesting Campagnes for Silent Hunter V!

Interessante Storis für interesannte Campagnes für Silent Hunter V !!


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U-Bootbunker Ajouy/Fuertoventura

http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/63...unkte-t296445/

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[Thomen]

I stopped reading after this:

Die wohl am meisten diskutierteste Geheimbasis war die "Basis 211" im antarktischen Neuschwabenland. Im Buch "Flugscheiben über Neuschwabenland" kommt ein Augenzeuge zu Wort, der dort stationiert war.

Hitlers UFO's, a secret base in the antarctic.. etc

While I agree most of the things that are mentioned in the link would make an interesting plot for a fiction novel, I do not think that this should be in SHV, imho.

Maybe as a mod or custom mission and even that might stretch it, if you consider that many ask for realism, rather then tin foil hats.

[Carotio]

I would say about 98% of what is written on that site is imaginary wishthinking. Like bases not abandoned till the 1950'ies???
However, for a phantasy mod, fine with me.

[Seeadler]

Silent Hunter 5 - The X Files Addon

[Reece]

Silent Hunter 5 - The X Files Addon

This is a top secret project, say nothing more or it's soup for you Hitman!!

[Morpheus]

Geheimauftrag Herr Kaleun

[Jonah HexX]

Some of this stuff has not been officially disprove, far as I know, and thats not far. Operation highjump seemed to be a complete failure or a disaster one way or the other. Why? I wouldnt exactly blame the weather for that one. Are all those pictures of the antarctic faked? who took them? I dont think it was admiral Byrd.
My point here isnt about little green men. My point can be summed up with this question. Can someone here categorically deny the existance Neuschwabenland ? Neuschwabenland is mentioned so few times around here, and when it is, Its in some form of sarcastic reference. Was this place really a joke?
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/09/us...warehouse.html

[Sailor Steve]

Why are you answering a two year old thread, that ended more than a year before SH5 was even released?

[Jonah HexX]

simply because i wont be able to afford SH5 or the system required to run it for a couple more years at least. never mind.

[Hartmann]

Ideas for silent hunter 6 ??

[Jonah HexX]

Hold on a second. I didnt know that responding to past threads would be met with such ......

My previous question still stands. "Can someone here categorically deny the existance (of) Neuschwabenland ?" Im not here to complain. My conscience demands me to beg the issue. I will not be held responsible for re-writing history by virtue of my silence. as far as i know,(not a real lot) but much of this stuff is declassified. Im compelled to believe Neuschwabenland actually existed. Did it not? Im sure all the youtube videos about Neuschwabenland are quite a bit exaggerated, however this is not enough for me to deny its existance. or what they and admiral Byrd found there, geologically.
My question still stands. Please post another painting of my Saviour. thanks.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Jonah HexX

Hold on a second. I didnt know that responding to past threads would be met with such ......

Normally it doesn't. This only happens when someone responds directly to a very old post as if it was made two minutes ago rather than two years ago, with no warning or explanation. It's the shock, you see.

That said, I think the thread died in the first place because nobody knew, and nobody cared. I thought it was about whether this stuff would be in the game, which I thought was silly. Is it real? I still don't know, or care. Maybe somebody does.

[Catfish]

But it's true !
And our ancestors also made it to the moon !
And we are coming back, in peace .... (harharhar)

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Jonah HexX

My previous question still stands. "Can someone here categorically deny the existance (of) Neuschwabenland ?"

Yes i can!
Neuschwabenland never existed, will never exist and so on.
And now grow up and get a life!

[Dread Knot]

It's a conspiracy theory based on a conspiracy theory. I did some research on that so let me summarize what I know.

1. It is known for sure that Germany did explore parts of Antarctic now know as Queen Maud Land, and named these Neuschwabenland (New Swabia). Their 1938 expetition is well established: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Swa...281938-1939.29 However, no facilities there were established officially.

2. There are some facts suggesting that Germans did in fact establish an U-boot base in the region. The evidence is that (1) crew members of the first expedition themselves saying that they made repeated trips to Antarctic transporting heavy equipment and (2) German U-boots were still operating in South Atlantic after the capitulation of Berlin, which implies existence of German supply base in the region, and (3) Admiral Dönitz is on record saying in 1943 that

The German submarine fleet is proud of having built for the Führer in another part of the world a Shangri-La on land, an impregnable fortress.

But no direct evidence of this facility is known. My guess is that he is refering to Singapore.

3. A historical fact is that the US did a military expedition in the region in 1946-7, known as Operation Highjump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Highjump), under the command of Admiral Richard E. Byrd. The expedition encountered losses and returned home early. Official statements say that the losses were due to accidents.

That much is proven historical record. Now, we go to "fringie" land.

A. A primary conspiracy theory is that the purported German submarine facility (see 2) did in fact exist, and U.S. losses during Operation Highjump were caused by fighting with the German forces. A variant of that theory is that upon encountering the Germans Americans were routed / turned back, and Operation Highjump in 1955 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Deep_Freeze) was in fact a (successful) military operation against remaining German forces. There are even claims that nuclear weapons were used. A major weakness in this theory is: why wouldn't the Germans simply surrender to the Americans? An operational submarine base could be easily traded for immunity.

B. Coming back to US after premature termination of Operation Highjump, Byrd was interviewed by a newspaper in Argentina. From Wikipedia:



In the interview Byrd warned of an imminent attack on the United States and the necessity to "remain in a state of alert and watchfulness" and take defensive precautions against "the possibility of an invasion of the country by hostile aircraft proceeding from the polar regions". Byrd said, "I do not want to scare anybody but the bitter reality is that in the event of a new war the United States will be attacked by aircraft flying in from over one or both poles."


This, combined with the theory of German research into UFOs/antigravity, is taken as a confirmation of an existence of a German UFO base in the Antarctic region. However, a much simpler explanation exists: the shortest route from US to Soviet Union is over the North Pole, so, Soviet bombers attacking U.S. targets would be "proceeding from the polar regions". This also explains U.S. military expeditions to the polar regions after WWII: they were required to train for future US/USSR combat operations in the North Polar region.

C. An extreme version of the German UFO theory is a text known as "Byrd's secret diary". It's a purported account of Byrd doing flying over Queen Maud Land, encountering UFOs, being forced to land in an oasis around a hot spring and finally interviewed by an alien speaking in German. This text was demonstrated to be a fake. The evidence of a fake is that at the beginning of the report Byrd notes engine problems, and the engine malfunction is identical to one he actually encountered several years prior. But having an identical mechanical problem, in the same phase of the mission, in two different aircraft several years apart is improbable. So the author of the fake probably took Byrd's actual flight report from 1930s, and added the part about UFOs.

There. I hope it clears up the issue. But I doubt it.