Marines urinating on Taliban corpses.

Fish · 01-12-12, 05:07 PM

This is asking for more Al Qaida volunteers.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/1...depicting.html

kraznyi_oktjabr · 01-12-12, 05:15 PM

Yeah. Due forum rules I can't use words which best represents this bunch of idiots.

EDIT: Just a side note... I really hope those "do as they do" commenters don't represent majority.

Dowly · 01-12-12, 05:27 PM

joea · 01-12-12, 05:38 PM

Sullying the name of the Corps, their species and offending the people they are supposed to "help".

Rockstar · 01-12-12, 05:58 PM

Happens during war. Some are successful in hiding the truth and atrocities others get caught. Of course the pious sitting behind their desks come out in droves shaking their heads in disgust.

Some like the Dutch still have their heads in the sand over thier own nations violent history.

Jop Hueting, perhaps the most famous Dutch soldier of the Indonesian war, who was decorated for the bravery he displayed in an airborne assault on Jakarta, has compared some of the massacres he witnessed to the My Lai incident during the Vietnam War. Mr Hueting, who was also in court as a possible witness for the defence, says the comparison between the Nazi SS and the Dutch forces is appropriate, because 'it is a metaphor for unbelievably violent behaviour by our forces'.

Other nations get involved with torture and brutality too.

The Petrozavodsk resident Novikov, who testified before the Investigation Committee witnessed how, in Camp No. 2 the Finns selected 30 inmates, allegedly war prisoners. They drove them to Loe Tolstoy Street and subjected them there to excruciating torture. They burned the heels of the "prisoners" with a red-hot iron, beat them with rubber clubs and then shot 15 of them. The remaining 15 persons were sent back to Camp No. 2 after 25 days.

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U.S. Marines in Afganistan, most likely engaged the enemy on in a battle. The enemy was overcome by superior forces and killed. The dead know one thing and that is they're dead. Marines know something too about nature and that is, when ya gotta go ya gotta go.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 01-12-12, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

The Petrozavodsk resident Novikov, who testified before the Investigation Committee witnessed how, in Camp No. 2 the Finns selected 30 inmates, allegedly war prisoners. They drove them to Loe Tolstoy Street and subjected them there to excruciating torture. They burned the heels of the "prisoners" with a red-hot iron, beat them with rubber clubs and then shot 15 of them. The remaining 15 persons were sent back to Camp No. 2 after 25 days.

Source?

CCIP · 01-12-12, 06:14 PM

I don't think this is by any means 'natural' or worthy of excusing, but it is a good reminder that war is ugly business, even in the age of social media and our apparent civility. It'll never fail to bring out the worst in some people, because the very nature of war is hatred. While I agree that it's shameful and unbecoming, I think it's also rather facetious of the USMC to try and distance itself from it in terms of values and expectations. The very business of that and every other fighting force is to kill effectively, expediently and ruthlessly. Everything after that is secondary, and one would be deluded to think that most soldiers can do that sort of thing in cold blood and without genuine hatred and downright craziness boiling over every once in a while. What's more, most military services in fact encourage and train people in channeling that sort of hatred and craziness into 'productive' directions - but the fact is, once it gets to a certain point, you're not even really thinking.

So, it's very much the reality of the whole business, and it'll always be this way. This sort of exorcism of "bad apples" that we get in media every once in a while is no more than a deflection of attention from how ugly the war in general is.

Ducimus · 01-12-12, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Happens during war. Some are successful in hiding the truth and atrocities others get caught. Of course the pious sitting behind their desks come out in droves shaking their heads in disgust.

This.

Personally, I think its all to easy to cast judgement when your not walking through the same dangers and daily BS you'd have to deal with being a combat area. The big kicker is something that most people who haven't walked a similar walk don't think about. Coping and the environment.

By environment, i don't mean "Go green, save the tree", i mean the job, the people around you, the daily hazards you face. The harsher it is, the harsher your character can become, because not everyone deals with things the same way. Some things can effect a person more severe then others.

Ill bet almost anything, that there's a good number of troops that
- probably don't remember how old they are or when their birthday was, or even holidays like xmas.
- don't remember what the sound of a loved ones voice is
- probably lives day by day, with home nothing but a distant memory, and their current situation just "how it is, and how it is always going to be".

At some point, you lose a bit of your .... civility? Im not sure what the word is, but at some point, you just stop giving a damn, because the current nightmare, will never end.

Ill further wager that when some of them get back to the states, they'll think their dreaming, be in a state of total disbeleif that "it" is finally over, and that when they wake up in the morning, it'll be on a cot in a tent or bunker somewhere, with being back in the states, a wild dream, a fantasy impossible to realize.

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Originally Posted by TarJak

Rule #1 when committing a war attrocity: Don't record it in anyway or leave any witnesses to it.

Idiots is the right term to describe these Jarheads.

Also this. There's an old expression that's been around, probably since vietnam.

"What happens in the field, STAYS in the field." Also expressed as, "What goes TDY, stays TDY".

Fish · 01-13-12, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Some like the Dutch still have their heads in the sand over thier own nations violent history.

Jop Hueting, perhaps the most famous Dutch soldier of the Indonesian war, who was decorated for the bravery he displayed in an airborne assault on Jakarta, has compared some of the massacres he witnessed to the My Lai incident during the Vietnam War. Mr Hueting, who was also in court as a possible witness for the defence, says the comparison between the Nazi SS and the Dutch forces is appropriate, because 'it is a metaphor for unbelievably violent behaviour by our forces'.

Other nations get involved with torture and brutality too.

The Petrozavodsk resident Novikov, who testified before the Investigation Committee witnessed how, in Camp No. 2 the Finns selected 30 inmates, allegedly war prisoners. They drove them to Loe Tolstoy Street and subjected them there to excruciating torture. They burned the heels of the "prisoners" with a red-hot iron, beat them with rubber clubs and then shot 15 of them. The remaining 15 persons were sent back to Camp No. 2 after 25 days.

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Tu quoque.

Feeling better now poisoning the well ?

01-12-12, 05:15 PM	#2
kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Yeah. Due forum rules I can't use words which best represents this bunch of idiots. EDIT: Just a side note... I really hope those "do as they do" commenters don't represent majority. __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House Last edited by kraznyi_oktjabr; 01-12-12 at 05:28 PM.

01-12-12, 06:14 PM	#7
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I don't think this is by any means 'natural' or worthy of excusing, but it is a good reminder that war is ugly business, even in the age of social media and our apparent civility. It'll never fail to bring out the worst in some people, because the very nature of war is hatred. While I agree that it's shameful and unbecoming, I think it's also rather facetious of the USMC to try and distance itself from it in terms of values and expectations. The very business of that and every other fighting force is to kill effectively, expediently and ruthlessly. Everything after that is secondary, and one would be deluded to think that most soldiers can do that sort of thing in cold blood and without genuine hatred and downright craziness boiling over every once in a while. What's more, most military services in fact encourage and train people in channeling that sort of hatred and craziness into 'productive' directions - but the fact is, once it gets to a certain point, you're not even really thinking. So, it's very much the reality of the whole business, and it'll always be this way. This sort of exorcism of "bad apples" that we get in media every once in a while is no more than a deflection of attention from how ugly the war in general is. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

01-12-12, 05:07 PM	#1
Fish Eternal Patrol Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,923 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. This is asking for more Al Qaida volunteers. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/1...depicting.html

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0

01-12-12, 05:38 PM	#4
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Sullying the name of the Corps, their species and offending the people they are supposed to "help".

01-12-12, 05:58 PM	#5
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Happens during war. Some are successful in hiding the truth and atrocities others get caught. Of course the pious sitting behind their desks come out in droves shaking their heads in disgust. Some like the Dutch still have their heads in the sand over thier own nations violent history. Jop Hueting, perhaps the most famous Dutch soldier of the Indonesian war, who was decorated for the bravery he displayed in an airborne assault on Jakarta, has compared some of the massacres he witnessed to the My Lai incident during the Vietnam War. Mr Hueting, who was also in court as a possible witness for the defence, says the comparison between the Nazi SS and the Dutch forces is appropriate, because 'it is a metaphor for unbelievably violent behaviour by our forces'. Other nations get involved with torture and brutality too. The Petrozavodsk resident Novikov, who testified before the Investigation Committee witnessed how, in Camp No. 2 the Finns selected 30 inmates, allegedly war prisoners. They drove them to Loe Tolstoy Street and subjected them there to excruciating torture. They burned the heels of the "prisoners" with a red-hot iron, beat them with rubber clubs and then shot 15 of them. The remaining 15 persons were sent back to Camp No. 2 after 25 days. - U.S. Marines in Afganistan, most likely engaged the enemy on in a battle. The enemy was overcome by superior forces and killed. The dead know one thing and that is they're dead. Marines know something too about nature and that is, when ya gotta go ya gotta go.