Gun and Grenade attack in Belgium

Oberon · 12-13-11, 10:09 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746

Belgium, of all places, I mean...Norway was unlikely, yes, but Belgium? Belgium?!

And just after they manage to get a government together too...

RIP to the one dead person and a hope that it stays at one.

Krauter · 12-13-11, 10:31 AM

Death toll is 4 now..

Bloody hell what is the world coming to.

Dread Knot · 12-13-11, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746

Belgium, of all places, I mean...Norway was unlikely, yes, but Belgium? Belgium?!

Lunatics exist in every nation.

frau kaleun · 12-13-11, 10:41 AM

So terrible. My heart goes out to the victims and their loved ones.

Takeda Shingen · 12-13-11, 11:28 AM

My thoughts with the victims, their families and the Belgian people at this time.

Skybird · 12-13-11, 12:02 PM

In Berlin somebody is haunting the Weihnachtsmärkte, too. He distributes small bottles of free Schnaps as gifts to unsuspecting visitors, telling people he wants to celebrate the birth of his daughter. But the Schnaps is poisened. Over a dozen people have collapsed over several days and needed to be brought to hospital, with stomach cramps, sometimes losing consciousness, vomitting, breaking down completely, being totally disoriented.

Some creepy, sick people out there.

Schroeder · 12-13-11, 12:12 PM

^this.

Betonov · 12-13-11, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

In Berlin somebody is haunting the Weihnachtsmärkte, too.

Thanks for the warning

Terrible thing in Belgium

Jimbuna · 12-13-11, 04:24 PM

A terrible situation/tragedy

Karle94 · 12-13-11, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746

Belgium, of all places, I mean...Norway was unlikely, yes, but Belgium? Belgium?!

And just after they manage to get a government together too...

RIP to the one dead person and a hope that it stays at one.

My condolences, to both the families, the victims and all off Belgium. I hate it when this has to happen to civilians, especially when there`s no war going on.

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Originally Posted by Skybird

In Berlin somebody is haunting the Weihnachtsmärkte, too. He distributes small bottles of free Schnaps as gifts to unsuspecting visitors, telling people he wants to celebrate the birth of his daughter. But the Schnaps is poisened. Over a dozen people have collapsed over several days and needed to be brought to hospital, with stomach cramps, sometimes losing consciousness, vomitting, breaking down completely, being totally disoriented.

Some creepy, sick people out there.

Glad I did`t meet that guy when I was in Berlin.

HunterICX · 12-14-11, 04:45 AM

It gets better

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16172662

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Police in Belgium have discovered a woman's body in a shed belonging to a gunman who went on the rampage in Liege, killing four people and himself.

HunterICX

Penguin · 12-14-11, 07:40 AM

It looks so far that this scumbag was a single maniac, sadly there is no real protection against stuff like this. RIP to the victims, especially the 17 month old girl.

And wtf has some guy in Berlin, who puts roofies in drinks, to do with a gun and grenade attack?

Skybird · 12-14-11, 05:06 PM

[Not meant as a reply to Penguin]

Isn't is strange that when Breivik was caught, the media immediately started to focus on his then still assumed racist background, his christian-fundamentalist background, his xenophobia and "Islamophobia", his supremacist white-race-belief - but in case of Amrani in Belgium, media are very very silent about the "North-African migration background" of this pervert mass killer, instead speak of a "man" who was known to the police, who dealt with drugs and weapons - but no word on his Muhammeddan identity and his Northafrican ethnicity?

Penguin,
I just mentioned it because to me the one guy to me is as sick and creepy than the other.

Public statements over how sorry somebody is over a crime happening, are not my thing. I make such a statement to somebody when I know he suffered personally a loss due to that event. To my knowledge, nobody in this forum has suffered anything from that attack in Belgium. So why should I express personal condolences to everybody here? Or do you think the victims and their families are reading this forum?

If so, then I will tell them about my condolences - in private.

And according to this report in the Austrian Der Standard, his lawyer said that due to his years-long record of confliciting with the police (20 sentences counting against him), he felt himself being bothered (belästigt) by the police.

Well, maybe we should pay him compensation for the police having harassed hiom - because he collected 20 sentences for crimes regarding drugs, firearms, and sexual crimes.

The Belgian officials, indicates Der Standard, seem to be not worried about background and crime record of the murderer. They instead focus on claims that "there are too many weapons circulating", and that weapon laws should be tightened. And why not avoiding towards this claim? The crowds always love to applaud to this demand.

And a link to a German essay.

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Die deutschen Medien verbreiten vorerst den Eindruck, als wären sie heilfroh, wenn man den Vorgang als Einzeltat eines Waffennarren abtun könnte. Warum? Nun, der Täter heißt Nordine Amrani, im Mediendeutsch: Nordine A. Der Name dürfte wohl schon genügt haben, um gewisse Schutz- und Trutzreflexe bei manchen Journalisten auszulösen. Könnte es sein, dass es sich um einen "Südländer"handelt oder womöglich gar um einen ***8211; nein, sprechen wir es lieber nicht aus, noch nicht. Nur wenn der Täter kurze blonde Haare hat, darf man frühzeitig und ausgiebig darüber sinnieren, woher er stammt, was ihn zu der Tat getrieben hat, wie er heißt, ob er katholisch ist, wie viele seinesgleichen noch frei herumlaufen und wer wohl sein Spiritus Rector gewesen sein könnte.

Nordine Amrani wollte vielleicht ein Verbrechen von derselben Dimension wie Anders Breivik verüben. Er war bewaffnet bis an die Zähne und die Tat geschah nicht im Affekt, sondern sie war geplant. Die belgische Presse hat kein Problem damit, Breiviks und Amranis Taten zu vergleichen, aber auch sie hat sich beeilt, von einem Einzeltäter zu sprechen und keinerlei Spekulationen über das Motiv aufkommen zu lassen. Doch in den belgischen Foren und Blogs werden die Themen abgehandelt, die den Bürger bei einem solchen Ereignis bewegen: Warum so früh auf Bewährung frei, warum keine Festnahme nach dem versäumten Vernehmungstermin, warum schon wieder im Besitz von Waffen, wer lieferte diese, wie lange hat er das schon geplant, warum der Weihnachtsmarkt, woher so viel Hass, gibt es Hintermänner, was war das Motiv? Und ja, sie schreiben, dass der Täter wohl ein Araber oder Nordafrikaner und ein Moslem war. Eine Frage sticht besonders heraus: Hat er die Kriegswaffen, die man 2008 bei ihm fand, wirklich nur gesammelt, weil er ein Waffennarr war?

Platapus · 12-14-11, 05:53 PM

Any idea why this guy did this? Guns and grenades seems to indicate that this was pretty important to him.

<ctl>-v my usual statement about the depths that humans can sink

What a terrible and what appears to be a totally senseless act of random violence.

Skybird · 12-14-11, 05:58 PM

One thing seems to become more and more obvious: he planned it, it is no mental "circuit shortcut", he prepared it, he wanted to kill as many people as possible. And like it was no coindicidence that Breiivik targetted the government and then the socialist youth organsiation, it maybe also is no coincidence that Amrani targetted a symbolic and iconic hotspot of Christian festivities.

The comparison to Breivik recommends itself. Maybe it even was a direct retaliation.

12-13-11, 10:09 AM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Gun and Grenade attack in Belgium http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746 Belgium, of all places, I mean...Norway was unlikely, yes, but Belgium? Belgium?! And just after they manage to get a government together too... RIP to the one dead person and a hope that it stays at one.

12-13-11, 12:02 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	In Berlin somebody is haunting the Weihnachtsmärkte, too. He distributes small bottles of free Schnaps as gifts to unsuspecting visitors, telling people he wants to celebrate the birth of his daughter. But the Schnaps is poisened. Over a dozen people have collapsed over several days and needed to be brought to hospital, with stomach cramps, sometimes losing consciousness, vomitting, breaking down completely, being totally disoriented. Some creepy, sick people out there. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	^this. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A terrible situation/tragedy __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Any idea why this guy did this? Guns and grenades seems to indicate that this was pretty important to him. <ctl>-v my usual statement about the depths that humans can sink What a terrible and what appears to be a totally senseless act of random violence. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	So terrible. My heart goes out to the victims and their loved ones.

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	My thoughts with the victims, their families and the Belgian people at this time.

12-14-11, 07:40 AM	#12
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	It looks so far that this scumbag was a single maniac, sadly there is no real protection against stuff like this. RIP to the victims, especially the 17 month old girl. And wtf has some guy in Berlin, who puts roofies in drinks, to do with a gun and grenade attack?

12-14-11, 05:58 PM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	One thing seems to become more and more obvious: he planned it, it is no mental "circuit shortcut", he prepared it, he wanted to kill as many people as possible. And like it was no coindicidence that Breiivik targetted the government and then the socialist youth organsiation, it maybe also is no coincidence that Amrani targetted a symbolic and iconic hotspot of Christian festivities. The comparison to Breivik recommends itself. Maybe it even was a direct retaliation. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.