So Sweden sunk (?) an american submarine

Catfish · 12-13-11, 12:26 PM

Be sure to watch it from the beginning, just to see how things developed. Text is in german, but the original is english/swedish/russian.

Very interesting about the Reagan "era" and what was done to damage swedish prime minister Olof Palme's reputation - before he was killed.

Palme did all for a peaceful international approach of the superpowers, but the US did not like that and sought the confrontation with Russia, from Teller and Rickover to Reagan, they were on the war path. Any negotiation was considered as treachery. It also becomes obvious that the russian threat was a joke, militarily spoken.

Regarding the later part of the film - it suggests the first russian Diesel sub was guided to the shore and ran aground at Sweden's coast in the baltic, which maybe or not have been a CIA operation. It certainly looks like sabotage and a spy. Anyway a russian sub ran aground in swedish waters.

Next the whole world laughed at Sweden and Palme, who obviously was not able to keep its own territoral waters clean of russian subs, but this traitor wanted to talk and negotiate with the Soviets.

After this beaching there were now hundreds of sightings, every whale and seal was a sighted "russian" sub, but indeed US and british subs were in the area to test the swedish installations.
The joke is american and british submarines suddenly did all to be seen, so people would think Sweden could not defend its own waters with lots of "russian" subs violating the swedish territorial waters - only they were US subs, which the swedish people who observed that did not know, and suspect. So Olof Palme would be further incriminated, also by his own military for being such a "loser".

And then the Swedish Navy indeed tracked and depth charged a submarine, which sunk damaged and hit the bottom. Sounds of working personell and even voices (english) were recorded, and soon after a yellow-green blot appeared at the surface, an emergency signal. Colour and composition later made clear it was an US sub, damaged by the swedish depth charge, but they did not know that then. Anyway some order from "high above" forbade the use of further depth charges and they just waited, and listened.

Next days another sub was intercepted and followed, straight to the site of the depth charging. When the fleet was almost over the target and wanted to release the charges, there again was a sudden order not to release the charges, or "only one". The second sub was then listened to, until it tried to sneak away, thoroughly recorded by hydrophones and trackers, and no other action was taken.

After this Olof Palme was accused to have given the order "not to attack a russian submarine" and became further isolated politically. It did not matter if he indeed gave the order, or the swedish secret service, or NATO. Palme was accused and finished. When his power had faded and nobody thought of him anymore, he was killed. It remains open whether it was own right-wing hawks inside the military or the national secret service, or some such service from abroad.
Perfectly Sun Tzu: Denigrate, belittle and isolate a man thoroughly, before you kill him. Who needs enemies when you have such friends ..

Interesting that those former "wild unfounded conspiracy theories" slowly prove to be something else than that, or even worse.

12-13-11, 12:26 PM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	So Sweden sunk (?) an american submarine Be sure to watch it from the beginning, just to see how things developed. Text is in german, but the original is english/swedish/russian. Very interesting about the Reagan "era" and what was done to damage swedish prime minister Olof Palme's reputation - before he was killed. Palme did all for a peaceful international approach of the superpowers, but the US did not like that and sought the confrontation with Russia, from Teller and Rickover to Reagan, they were on the war path. Any negotiation was considered as treachery. It also becomes obvious that the russian threat was a joke, militarily spoken. Regarding the later part of the film - it suggests the first russian Diesel sub was guided to the shore and ran aground at Sweden's coast in the baltic, which maybe or not have been a CIA operation. It certainly looks like sabotage and a spy. Anyway a russian sub ran aground in swedish waters. Next the whole world laughed at Sweden and Palme, who obviously was not able to keep its own territoral waters clean of russian subs, but this traitor wanted to talk and negotiate with the Soviets. After this beaching there were now hundreds of sightings, every whale and seal was a sighted "russian" sub, but indeed US and british subs were in the area to test the swedish installations. The joke is american and british submarines suddenly did all to be seen, so people would think Sweden could not defend its own waters with lots of "russian" subs violating the swedish territorial waters - only they were US subs, which the swedish people who observed that did not know, and suspect. So Olof Palme would be further incriminated, also by his own military for being such a "loser". And then the Swedish Navy indeed tracked and depth charged a submarine, which sunk damaged and hit the bottom. Sounds of working personell and even voices (english) were recorded, and soon after a yellow-green blot appeared at the surface, an emergency signal. Colour and composition later made clear it was an US sub, damaged by the swedish depth charge, but they did not know that then. Anyway some order from "high above" forbade the use of further depth charges and they just waited, and listened. Next days another sub was intercepted and followed, straight to the site of the depth charging. When the fleet was almost over the target and wanted to release the charges, there again was a sudden order not to release the charges, or "only one". The second sub was then listened to, until it tried to sneak away, thoroughly recorded by hydrophones and trackers, and no other action was taken. After this Olof Palme was accused to have given the order "not to attack a russian submarine" and became further isolated politically. It did not matter if he indeed gave the order, or the swedish secret service, or NATO. Palme was accused and finished. When his power had faded and nobody thought of him anymore, he was killed. It remains open whether it was own right-wing hawks inside the military or the national secret service, or some such service from abroad. Perfectly Sun Tzu: Denigrate, belittle and isolate a man thoroughly, before you kill him. Who needs enemies when you have such friends .. Interesting that those former "wild unfounded conspiracy theories" slowly prove to be something else than that, or even worse.