Electrinic Surveillance Scandal hits Germany

Skybird · 10-11-11, 07:07 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...790944,00.html

the_tyrant · 10-11-11, 07:18 AM

Dear Mr EU agent:

I have never agreed with Skybird in his dissenting opinion. I am a good man and I have never done anything illegal.

All my porn is in the "My Documents" folder. they are titled "french educational films"

I am happy to share!

psst, Skybird, now they know you know!

Skybird · 10-11-11, 10:02 AM

I must admit that this time the EU has nothing to do with it. The mess is an exclusive German creation, said to have been build in Bavaria and having been used by the authorities of some some of our 16 federal states.

The worst thing is that Chaos Computer Club says the software is hilariously unsecured, can be "hijacked" by other attackers than the authority having fired it, and then been turned against the victim.

It also shows how very much unrealistic legislation is when it thinks that infiltrating a system and guarding email and communication lines can be allowed - but at the same time prohibiting the active scanning of the HD for criminally relevant data. That is like visiting a suspect in his appartement, but allowing no forming of a personal visual impression and no searching for evidence.

Only bureaucrats sitting at desks in offices without windows can construct such crazy, disconnected ideas. And more and more of our laws get constructed in such absurd ways.

When a judge allows the minitoring of s supect'S PC or laptop,m then the scanning fo the HD should be allowed, too. That implication should be a consideration in the judge'S decision-making.

Diopos · 10-11-11, 03:59 PM

"But if you have nothing to hide, have done nothing wrong, you do not need to fear ..." says Mr. Goverment.

God they have us cornered ...

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soopaman2 · 10-11-11, 04:09 PM

Better scream loudly, your contempt for Emmanuel Goldstein..

The thought police watch you...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen

the_tyrant · 10-11-11, 04:32 PM

a detailed report on the back-door in question in German:
http://www.ccc.de/system/uploads/76/...r-report23.pdf

I can't read it though

Thomen · 10-12-11, 09:50 AM

The report is quite interesting to read. It also says that the command and control server for this piece of software is in the US, on a commercial service provider.

Another 'feature' of this hight tech spy gadget is... that it apparently has to be installed by physically accessing the target computer.

Yes, whoever came up with this forgot to write an installer to deploy it remotely.

STEED · 10-12-11, 09:57 AM

Smash all technology that can spy on you, problem solved.

MothBalls · 10-12-11, 10:44 AM

Not like every government doesn't have this, they just got caught.

10-11-11, 07:07 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Electrinic Surveillance Scandal hits Germany http://www.spiegel.de/international/...790944,00.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-11-11, 07:18 AM	#2
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Dear Mr EU agent: I have never agreed with Skybird in his dissenting opinion. I am a good man and I have never done anything illegal. All my porn is in the "My Documents" folder. they are titled "french educational films" I am happy to share! psst, Skybird, now they know you know! __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

10-11-11, 10:02 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I must admit that this time the EU has nothing to do with it. The mess is an exclusive German creation, said to have been build in Bavaria and having been used by the authorities of some some of our 16 federal states. The worst thing is that Chaos Computer Club says the software is hilariously unsecured, can be "hijacked" by other attackers than the authority having fired it, and then been turned against the victim. It also shows how very much unrealistic legislation is when it thinks that infiltrating a system and guarding email and communication lines can be allowed - but at the same time prohibiting the active scanning of the HD for criminally relevant data. That is like visiting a suspect in his appartement, but allowing no forming of a personal visual impression and no searching for evidence. Only bureaucrats sitting at desks in offices without windows can construct such crazy, disconnected ideas. And more and more of our laws get constructed in such absurd ways. When a judge allows the minitoring of s supect'S PC or laptop,m then the scanning fo the HD should be allowed, too. That implication should be a consideration in the judge'S decision-making. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-11-11, 03:59 PM	#4
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	"But if you have nothing to hide, have done nothing wrong, you do not need to fear ..." says Mr. Goverment. God they have us cornered ... . __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

10-11-11, 04:09 PM	#5
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Better scream loudly, your contempt for Emmanuel Goldstein.. The thought police watch you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

10-11-11, 04:32 PM	#6
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	a detailed report on the back-door in question in German: http://www.ccc.de/system/uploads/76/...r-report23.pdf I can't read it though __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

10-12-11, 09:50 AM	#7
Thomen Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	The report is quite interesting to read. It also says that the command and control server for this piece of software is in the US, on a commercial service provider. Another 'feature' of this hight tech spy gadget is... that it apparently has to be installed by physically accessing the target computer. Yes, whoever came up with this forgot to write an installer to deploy it remotely.

10-12-11, 09:57 AM	#8
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Smash all technology that can spy on you, problem solved. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

10-12-11, 10:44 AM	#9
MothBalls Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Not like every government doesn't have this, they just got caught.