Opinions Please

Doolar · 08-17-11, 11:00 AM

I hit a small sized merchant (5000 tons) last nite just at the forward craine which is my favorite first strike spot. It didnt go down. It slowed down to about 1 or 2 kts, and its decks were dipping under the ruff seas but after an hour, it was still putt'n along. My question is: How long do you guys wait before pump'n another eel into her ?

GoDeep · 08-17-11, 11:22 AM

It depends on the situation. If it is safe to hang around waiting for her to sink, I have waited for as long as 3 - 4 hours (game time) for a ship to sink. If the weather allows, I use the deck gun to finish her off if she doesn't sink in time. If not, and I am in a rush or think she won't sink, I use a second torpedo, but in a different spot on the target.

In rough weather, there's a good chance she'll sink eventually on her own.

Doolar · 08-17-11, 11:37 AM

The weather was : Clear and 15m/s. Not too bad. Deck gun wasn't an option. I just didn't hit the sweet spot with the 1st eel. Not any activity around neither. I gave her enough time to sink on her own, but not'a. So a 2nd eel did the trick. I used a stern torpedo since she was easy pick'ns.

SubConscious · 08-17-11, 11:49 AM

I agree with GoDeep. I would have preferred to wait for an opportunity to use the deck gun, as it probably wouldn't take many rounds to finish it off.

Using another eel is probably the safer bet though, as it could have been signaling for assistance.

Obltn Strand · 08-17-11, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Doolar Semler

I used a stern torpedo since she was easy pick'ns.

That's what stern tube is used for. Never found it useful against a moving target, save few exceptions though.

scottj63 · 08-17-11, 03:58 PM

I just babysat a M20b that i torpedoed 4 times to make sure i got the credit for the sinking ( I was out of Torpedoes) It took 19.5 game hours to sink. So I guess damaged boats that are dead in the water might be worth waiting awhile for if you are bingo ammo.

Scottj63

JazzJR · 08-17-11, 04:51 PM

Or you might just ram it.

Worked for me some time ago. I just pushed unter the water and it sunk.

Not the traditional art of war but useful if you are out of ammo.

Fish In The Water · 08-17-11, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Doolar Semler

My question is: How long do you guys wait before pump'n another eel into her ?

Depends on the tactical situation. Are there other ships around? Am I late for an important date with a hot convoy? How's my loadout? A lot of factors come into play.

Generally speaking, if things are fairly calm, (and I've got time to kill waiting for another juicy target to sail by), I'll keep in close proximity and let the flooding and fire run their course.

If on the other hand, time is a pressing concern, then I'll try to finish her quickly with the deck and/or AA guns (if possible).

Again, (generally speaking), if she's 5000 tons or less I don't like to use a second eel on her unless I absolutely have to.

Pisces · 08-18-11, 09:40 AM

If the deck is going down the waves I'd give it some more time. Sometimes it takes a bit longer for them to go down than just one hour. The deeper the hole comes below the waterlevel, the faster it is supposed to flood.

Jimbuna · 08-18-11, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish In The Water

Depends on the tactical situation. Are there other ships around? Am I late for an important date with a hot convoy? How's my loadout? A lot of factors come into play.

Generally speaking, if things are fairly calm, (and I've got time to kill waiting for another juicy target to sail by), I'll keep in close proximity and let the flooding and fire run their course.

If on the other hand, time is a pressing concern, then I'll try to finish her quickly with the deck and/or AA guns (if possible).

Again, (generally speaking), if she's 5000 tons or less I don't like to use a second eel on her unless I absolutely have to.

Agreed....but each to their own I suppose.

Capt. Morgan · 08-18-11, 06:21 PM

If you're going to wait around, consider maintaining periscope depth for atleast the first hour - just so you can monitor the hydrophones incoming DD's.

IIRC, SHIII will send any enemy assets (air or sea) that are within 1hr. of the sinking to investigate

Jimbuna · 08-18-11, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt. Morgan

If you're going to wait around, consider maintaining periscope depth for atleast the first hour - just so you can monitor the hydrophones incoming DD's.

IIRC, SHIII will send any enemy assets (air or sea) that are within 1hr. of the sinking to investigate

I'm afraid that is not the case.....assets will only be sent if summoned and there are a few additional determining factors to be met before the aforementioned takes place.

Falkirion · 08-19-11, 12:29 AM

I completely agree with what Fish in the Water said. If you dont have any other reports or contacts to chase, just hang around and surface at night to refresh your air if you have to.

desirableroasted · 08-19-11, 07:42 PM

In early war, and in all but poor visibility - and if I cannot deck gun it -- I will happily wait 12-18 game hours. I stand off 3000-4000 meters, submerged if by day.

That said, if it's not going down in 12 hours, it probably needs another torpedo. Chalk it up and move on.

In poor visibility, or later in the war, or in an area where waiting around is just not possible, I'll give it a second punch right away. There's no economy in waiting around in those conditions.

FIREWALL · 08-19-11, 08:41 PM

I assume Doolar Semler has Gwx installed. I think some of you who think they know GWX pretty well Better look at Jimbunas Signature.

He wae part of the Team that BUILT GWX.

I know some of you are very knowledgeable with GWX and it's files but, he's the one most go to when haveing a problem or,want a mod "Like Deck gun use in 15ms rain" and they have problem fixed just about then and there or shows where the file block with path are and includes the file changed to copy & paste in in next quick post.

Wit all due respect to you all.

Nobody is going to convince me they know more than Jim but, Jim himself.

Due to his modesty he'll say different just to cut down being swamped with questions and pm's. "Sorry Jim" But Myself and many others know different.

By our dozens and dozens of posts asking for help over the years.

Just a friendly heads up about this Exceptional member who is now a retired GWX Team Member who never uses it to win dicussions as with all other great and helpfull retired GWX Team Members I might add.

I'll shut my BIG mouth now.

And I think the best thoughts of all SubSim members and all the good things they add to SubSim.

I salute you all.

08-17-11, 11:00 AM	#1
Doolar Expert Shipsinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Baltimore,Md./ CA45 Posts: 914 Downloads: 360 Uploads: 0	Opinions Please I hit a small sized merchant (5000 tons) last nite just at the forward craine which is my favorite first strike spot. It didnt go down. It slowed down to about 1 or 2 kts, and its decks were dipping under the ruff seas but after an hour, it was still putt'n along. My question is: How long do you guys wait before pump'n another eel into her ?

08-17-11, 11:37 AM	#3
Doolar Expert Shipsinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Baltimore,Md./ CA45 Posts: 914 Downloads: 360 Uploads: 0	easy pick'ns The weather was : Clear and 15m/s. Not too bad. Deck gun wasn't an option. I just didn't hit the sweet spot with the 1st eel. Not any activity around neither. I gave her enough time to sink on her own, but not'a. So a 2nd eel did the trick. I used a stern torpedo since she was easy pick'ns.

08-17-11, 11:49 AM	#4
SubConscious Frogman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 309 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	I agree with GoDeep. I would have preferred to wait for an opportunity to use the deck gun, as it probably wouldn't take many rounds to finish it off. Using another eel is probably the safer bet though, as it could have been signaling for assistance. __________________ "Come into port greatly, or sail with God the seas..." - Emerson

08-17-11, 04:51 PM	#7
JazzJR Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany - Berlin Posts: 263 Downloads: 98 Uploads: 0	Or you might just ram it. Worked for me some time ago. I just pushed unter the water and it sunk. Not the traditional art of war but useful if you are out of ammo. __________________

08-18-11, 09:40 AM	#9
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	If the deck is going down the waves I'd give it some more time. Sometimes it takes a bit longer for them to go down than just one hour. The deeper the hole comes below the waterlevel, the faster it is supposed to flood. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

08-17-11, 11:22 AM	#2
GoDeep Planesman Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 188 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It depends on the situation. If it is safe to hang around waiting for her to sink, I have waited for as long as 3 - 4 hours (game time) for a ship to sink. If the weather allows, I use the deck gun to finish her off if she doesn't sink in time. If not, and I am in a rush or think she won't sink, I use a second torpedo, but in a different spot on the target. In rough weather, there's a good chance she'll sink eventually on her own.

08-17-11, 03:58 PM	#6
scottj63 Mate Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 60 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I just babysat a M20b that i torpedoed 4 times to make sure i got the credit for the sinking ( I was out of Torpedoes) It took 19.5 game hours to sink. So I guess damaged boats that are dead in the water might be worth waiting awhile for if you are bingo ammo. Scottj63

08-18-11, 06:21 PM	#11
Capt. Morgan Commander Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Just east of the west coast. Posts: 463 Downloads: 423 Uploads: 0	If you're going to wait around, consider maintaining periscope depth for atleast the first hour - just so you can monitor the hydrophones incoming DD's. IIRC, SHIII will send any enemy assets (air or sea) that are within 1hr. of the sinking to investigate __________________ There are no great men, only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet. -- Admiral William Halsey

08-19-11, 12:29 AM	#13
Falkirion Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 1,043 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	I completely agree with what Fish in the Water said. If you dont have any other reports or contacts to chase, just hang around and surface at night to refresh your air if you have to.

08-19-11, 07:42 PM	#14
desirableroasted Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In the mountains, now. On the edge of the sea before. Posts: 933 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	In early war, and in all but poor visibility - and if I cannot deck gun it -- I will happily wait 12-18 game hours. I stand off 3000-4000 meters, submerged if by day. That said, if it's not going down in 12 hours, it probably needs another torpedo. Chalk it up and move on. In poor visibility, or later in the war, or in an area where waiting around is just not possible, I'll give it a second punch right away. There's no economy in waiting around in those conditions. __________________ "Well, now, that's true... the IXC is a bit of a chick magnet..but you really can't beat the VIIB for off-road fun."

08-19-11, 08:41 PM	#15
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I assume Doolar Semler has Gwx installed. I think some of you who think they know GWX pretty well Better look at Jimbunas Signature. He wae part of the Team that BUILT GWX. I know some of you are very knowledgeable with GWX and it's files but, he's the one most go to when haveing a problem or,want a mod "Like Deck gun use in 15ms rain" and they have problem fixed just about then and there or shows where the file block with path are and includes the file changed to copy & paste in in next quick post. Wit all due respect to you all. Nobody is going to convince me they know more than Jim but, Jim himself. Due to his modesty he'll say different just to cut down being swamped with questions and pm's. "Sorry Jim" But Myself and many others know different. By our dozens and dozens of posts asking for help over the years. Just a friendly heads up about this Exceptional member who is now a retired GWX Team Member who never uses it to win dicussions as with all other great and helpfull retired GWX Team Members I might add. I'll shut my BIG mouth now. And I think the best thoughts of all SubSim members and all the good things they add to SubSim. I salute you all. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ??? Last edited by FIREWALL; 08-20-11 at 05:05 PM.