Libya: ICC issues arrest warrant for Muammar Gaddafi

Gerald · 06-27-11, 07:03 AM

The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi.

The court had accused him of crimes against humanity and of ordering attacks on civilians after an uprising against him began in mid-February.

The Hague-based court also issued warrants for two of Col Gaddafi's top aides - his son Saif al-Islam and intelligence chief Abdullah al-Sanussi.

Thousands of people are believed to have been killed in the conflict.

ICC presiding judge Sanji Monageng said there were "reasonable grounds to believe" that Col Gaddafi and his son were "criminally responsible as indirect co-perpetrators" for the persecution and murder of civilians in Libya.

The warrants had been requested by chief ICC prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo in May, who said the three men bore responsibility for "widespread and systematic attacks" on civilians.

Mr Moreno-Ocampo said the court had evidence that Col Gaddafi had "personally ordered attacks on unarmed Libyan civilians and was behind the arrest and torture of his political opponents.

The Libyan authorities have previously said they do not recognise the court and were not concerned by the threat of a warrant.

On Sunday, government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said the court was overly preoccupied with pursuing African leaders and had "no legitimacy whatsoever".

The arrest warrant was welcomed by UK Foreign Secretary William Hague, who said it further demonstrated "why Gaddafi has lost all legitimacy and why he should go immediately".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13927208

Note: 27 June 2011 Last updated at 11:57 GMT

NeonSamurai · 06-27-11, 07:10 AM

Any bets on if similar charges are levied against the leadership in Syria? I bet no myself

papa_smurf · 06-27-11, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Any bets on if similar charges are levied against the leadership in Syria? I bet no myself

There is no consensus from other Arab nations to remove him, unlike Libya where many Arab nations want him gone.

Gerald · 06-27-11, 12:56 PM

This whole, is a game for the gallery,

August · 06-27-11, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by papa_smurf

There is no consensus from other Arab nations to remove him, unlike Libya where many Arab nations want him gone.

Are you saying that ICC actions are politically motivated?

If so i'm glad that President Bush wouldn't agree to make our people subject to that.

papa_smurf · 06-27-11, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Are you saying that ICC actions are politically motivated?

If so i'm glad that President Bush wouldn't agree to make our people subject to that.

Did not say that, you took my words and twisted them. Should of never said anything.

August · 06-27-11, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by papa_smurf

Did not say that, you took my words and twisted them. Should of never said anything.

Sorry Smurf, nothing personal but you certainly implied exactly that. After all, what does Arab consensus have to do with an ICC arrest warrant? Courts are supposed to make their decisions on the law, not political consensus or popularity.

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Several years ago, we seriously banged our heads over the ICC. I must admit I have changed my opinion on the ICC completely since then. Your initial doubts on the ICC's political neutrality were correct, my naivety over it's motives was wrong.

An honor returned.

That's mighty upstanding of you Sky and I thank you for your post, but to my thinking there is nothing wrong with expecting ones institutions to meet the standards that they're supposed to maintain. I could hardly blame you for doing something that I am all too willing to do myself.

Skybird · 06-27-11, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Are you saying that ICC actions are politically motivated?

If so i'm glad that President Bush wouldn't agree to make our people subject to that.

Several years ago, we seriously banged our heads over the ICC. I must admit I have changed my opinion on the ICC completely since then. Your initial doubts on the ICC's political neutrality were correct, my naivety over it's motives was wrong.

Castout · 06-27-11, 06:38 PM

If Syria leadership have to be brought to justice through the ICC are you suggesting the Bahrain monarch and the Chinese due to Tianamen square massacre should too? Because if you don't you're a hypocrite since you're asking for the prosecution of the Syrian leadership and if you do suggest prosecuting the Chinese you're a mad man.

Are you guys so naive? Sometimes condemnation is the strongest action that an international community could do and they do just that. It is still much better than silence.

And who says Syria leadership isn't going to be prosecuted through ICC anyway? The whole thing takes time. Give them a year and if the situation in Syria becomes worse with more atrocities I wouldn't count bringing the Syrian leadership to ICC an impossibility. Right now there's even a 50:50 chance already.

You must realize that the ICC is like nuclear deterrent in the military. If you use it too much it would cease being a deterrent and instead become a destructive to ALL instrument and in the end it would destroy itself or get boycotted by the majority of nations.

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Libya: ICC issues arrest warrant for Muammar Gaddafi The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi. The court had accused him of crimes against humanity and of ordering attacks on civilians after an uprising against him began in mid-February. The Hague-based court also issued warrants for two of Col Gaddafi's top aides - his son Saif al-Islam and intelligence chief Abdullah al-Sanussi. Thousands of people are believed to have been killed in the conflict. ICC presiding judge Sanji Monageng said there were "reasonable grounds to believe" that Col Gaddafi and his son were "criminally responsible as indirect co-perpetrators" for the persecution and murder of civilians in Libya. The warrants had been requested by chief ICC prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo in May, who said the three men bore responsibility for "widespread and systematic attacks" on civilians. Mr Moreno-Ocampo said the court had evidence that Col Gaddafi had "personally ordered attacks on unarmed Libyan civilians and was behind the arrest and torture of his political opponents. The Libyan authorities have previously said they do not recognise the court and were not concerned by the threat of a warrant. On Sunday, government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said the court was overly preoccupied with pursuing African leaders and had "no legitimacy whatsoever". The arrest warrant was welcomed by UK Foreign Secretary William Hague, who said it further demonstrated "why Gaddafi has lost all legitimacy and why he should go immediately". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13927208 Note: 27 June 2011 Last updated at 11:57 GMT __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	If Syria leadership have to be brought to justice through the ICC are you suggesting the Bahrain monarch and the Chinese due to Tianamen square massacre should too? Because if you don't you're a hypocrite since you're asking for the prosecution of the Syrian leadership and if you do suggest prosecuting the Chinese you're a mad man. Are you guys so naive? Sometimes condemnation is the strongest action that an international community could do and they do just that. It is still much better than silence. And who says Syria leadership isn't going to be prosecuted through ICC anyway? The whole thing takes time. Give them a year and if the situation in Syria becomes worse with more atrocities I wouldn't count bringing the Syrian leadership to ICC an impossibility. Right now there's even a 50:50 chance already. You must realize that the ICC is like nuclear deterrent in the military. If you use it too much it would cease being a deterrent and instead become a destructive to ALL instrument and in the end it would destroy itself or get boycotted by the majority of nations. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/ Last edited by Castout; 06-27-11 at 06:53 PM.