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...tighter regulations on Toy Guns.
Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck is proposing that the city require BB-gun replicas of actual firearms to be brightly colored so that police officers don't mistake them for real weapons. The proposal, which the Los Angeles Police Commission will consider Tuesday, comes after two shootings involving officers and people with replica weapons, including one in which a teenager was wounded. Under the new rule, all such toys sold inLos Angeles would have the "entire exterior surface of the device white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright blue, bright pink or bright purple." Guns would also be allowed if they were "constructed of transparent or translucent materials which permits unmistakable observation of the device's complete contents." "This change will not ban such devices but will aid law enforcement in differentiating real firearms from BB devices and imitation firearms. It will also prevent the sales and possession of BB devices and imitation firearms in the city of Los Angeles that are similar in size and appearance to actual firearms," Beck wrote in a memo. The guns come in various models that closely resemble real weapons such as Berettas, shotguns and pistols. Law enforcement experts say the toys can easily be mistaken for the real thing, especially in a situation in which an officer must react quickly and decisively. On Dec. 16, three boys were playing with the guns on North Verdugo Road in Glassell Park when two LAPD officers stopped to investigate. An officer fired at one of the boys, believing the boy's gun was a real weapon, according to an LAPD news release. The boy was shot in the torso and underwent surgery. Capt. David Lindsay, who headed the Northeast Division when the shooting occurred, said the division had faced several incidents in recent months involving toy guns, and noted that they have been taken from gang members and robbery suspects. "It's a consistent issue for us. I saw the guns the kids had that night from a distance of 3 or 4 feet; when you first look at them, they look identical to a particular style of handgun, a Beretta 92F," Lindsay said in an interview earlier this year. He has since been transferred to a different position. "If you see something that just looks like a gun, you're going to shoot," Smith said after the Glassell Park shooting. "That's what you're trained to do. Your mind doesn't have enough time to process whether it's a real gun or a fake gun." His office said Monday that he supported Beck's proposal. SOURCE |
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Stupid.
All one needs to make a fake weapon look real is a can of black spray paint. On the other hand a brightly painted real gun looks fake but is no less deadly.
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Spray painting an actual gun seems like a really stupid idea though. One thing is the paint fouling the action, the other is the possible flamability issue.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Wow! Looks awesome! BTW, official response from Airsoft GI: |
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Yeah well a guy stupid enough to rob a convenience store is stupid enough to paint his firearm a pretty color if he thinks it might deceive the cops at a distance. Besides you can avoid both the fouling and flammability issues pretty easily.
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What's next?
Painting baseball bats fluoro to warn law enforcers that the bat will not be used for a sporting event? |
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Hell i thought they BANNED working replica's YEARS ago. I remember this because i had one as a kid.
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Banning toy guns around the nation has gone on for sometime.
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If you were a cop would you be willing to bet your life on that?
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No.
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No and either should anyone else. Even if a crime is commited with a fake/toy gun it is still considered armed robbery.
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It occurs quite often, that people use airsoft related copies in the robbery, and police are taking, ALWAYS it for granted that there is a real weapon, and acts accordingly, as is the practice, and this may in some cases, devastating consequences,for the person who does not realize the seriousness of this.
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The perpetrators of those crimes have only themselves to blame for the consequences of their actions.
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Good - if 'toy' guns are used to scare innocent people (and thieving bankers!) then the police are right to use whatever force they deem necessary. Pretend to be a big boy, suffer the big boy's consequences.
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