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Old 03-31-15, 01:08 PM   #1
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if the owner is a friend of the commissioner then you can get away with cheating all you want, its like being in the mob, you are above the law.

the falcons got what I consider a very weak punishment to lose a lowly 5th round draft pick next year in 2016 draft, what a joke, why bother even doing anything if that is the "so-called" punishment for cheating to create an unfair advantage by piping in crowd noise so opposing teams cannot communicate on the field. I suspect it was put off until next years draft since they don't want to disrupt all the wheeling and dealing going on and the falcons being stripped of the first round pick (#8 overall) wouldnt have thrown a serious monkey wrench into this years draft but it would have hurt the team, something the NFL obviously didn't want to do so instead they lose a meaningless 5th round pick, of which they have two picks in the 5th round.

not specifically targeted at the falcons situation, but in general, it should be mandatory that any team caught cheating should lose their first round draft pick in the following years draft and maybe more, depending on the scope of how bad the cheating was and if it had any impact on that team or any other team making the playoffs. the penalty must be severe enough to ensure teams not only wont cheat but they will make sure no one on the team things its a good idea to cheat.

just look at the patriots getting caught in the act of cheating, move along here nothing to see, just forget what you saw and heard and all the clear evidence of guilt beyond any fathom of doubt about it, because they are the patriots so its ok.

the fact that the investigation is over and nothing is going to happen to the patriots for getting caught red handed deflating footballs is comical just because they claimed it was some low level minimum wage stadium worker took it upon himself to go let the air out of the ball to the exact softness brady wanted them.

man he must be a mind reader to know to do that, maybe space aliens told him to do it? in the wildest stretch of imagination, we are to assume the patriots did not order this guy to do it and they knew nothing about it?

there is no way brady or and other team mates didnt know the second they put hands on the ball that it was too soft, and not reporting it is cheating so they knowingly concealed the use of tampered balls to get an unfair advantage.

and the NFL's excuse for ignoring this cheating by the patriots who have been caught cheating 6 or 7 times over the last 10 years (can you say habitual cheaters?) is - "well it didn't change the outcome of the game" lol what a crock since the lopsided victory was caused by the cheating. its like pushing someone in front of a bus then saying the push didn't cause them to die it was the bus hitting them. im sure patriots owners influence with the league had nothing to do with the outcome of the investigation either.

punish em all and do it harshly or just stop pretending and don't even pretend to punish anyone such as this falcons so-called punishment.

the saints lost 3 draft picks first and third round and second round the next year plus head coach suspended for entire season because somebody said "got out there and take em out" oooh maybe the FBI should have been called because that sounds like admitting to a murder plot if that's all the evidence needed. the saints got nuked for bounty gate that was proven by facts and testimony to have never happened and was just shear opinion based "feelings" over an out of context locker room motivational speech comments every team makes that happened to be caught on a recording.

I don't ever want any team to be unfairly treated the way the saints were, but the patriots were caught red handed and have no ambiguity in their guilt. they are guilty and there is no denying that even if the league chooses to turn a blind eye to their guilt.

the patriots punishment for cheating should be no less harsh then the penalty given to the saints in that Bill Belichick and the team GM should be suspended for a full year and the top three draft picks stripped from the team along with millions in fines and the players involved, brady, the center, the receivers and others who handled the ball in that game should get game suspensions for not reporting the under inflated balls. but they are the almighty patriots so only the ball boy is guilty and that poor sap lost his job for just following the orders he was given by Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.

equal treatment for all no matter if the owner of the cheating team is your friend

the NFL needs to stop being hypocritical in its enforcement of league rules, no matter who breaks them.

rant over, let the fun begin as people will always try to defend the cheaters

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The Cheatriots

Too funny really ( the pics ). I do think deflate-gate has been a tad overblown compared
to spy-gate. But do admit the NFL continues to do itself no favors by dragging the thing out.

At the end of the day I credit their success to their on field play vs. either of the mentioned. They are well coached and have probably the greatest clutch quarterback to ever play the game.









Let's face it the league is all over the place with it's handling of various issues-incidents. Goodell and the NFL Hierarchy are a joke really, but they don't care as long as ratings are high and the $$ are rolling in.

If either was affected by the scandals and other stuff such as the above then they might start to change their tune. But I don't see much happening, people's love of the game blinds then from all of the other stuff.

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the falcons got what I consider a very weak punishment to lose a lowly 5th round draft pick next year in 2016 draft, what a joke, why bother even doing anything if that is the "so-called" punishment for cheating to create an unfair advantage by piping in crowd noise so opposing teams cannot communicate on the field.
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As we used to observe in the military: Different Spanks for different Ranks.

Not right, not fair, but unfortunately reality
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Next time, just give beastmode the ball and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Not right, not fair, but unfortunately reality

Yep that's true. The mere allegation, (as yet unproven btw), of impropriety is enough to make these Patriots haters loose their minds. If someone accused Belichick of stabbing babies in the face there are plenty of sports fans who would believe it.

It's like the hate directed at the 1990's Cowboys.
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What's wrong with that?
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Pfft, the NFL are amateurs at corruption compared to the likes of FIFA.
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Nothing! Being hated in the NFL just means that your team is a winner.
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Pfft, the NFL are amateurs at corruption compared to the likes of FIFA.
If there's a word to deribe FIFA's level of corruption, it would be Vatican
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Pfft, the NFL are amateurs at corruption compared to the likes of FIFA.
Naw, FIFA is corrupt, the NFL is merely incompetent.
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gotta love it when people want to just say its "haters just wanting to hate a winner" but then what else can they say because they know their beloved team is guilty and undeserving of the title that is forever tainted with the stink of cheating.

yes any prize stolen by cheating can still be held up and rejoiced over by those with no self respect but its hollow and meaningless unless it is earned and not gained through theft by means of cheating. crack heads celebrate all the stuff they loot every time they riot but it doesn't mean they earned what they stole either but they do still have it to claim as theirs.

none of it really matters in the end, its just a game played bunch of prema donna overpaid millionaires so why do we care so much?

just stop being stupid and apply rules evenly for all, its a very simple concept
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...but then what else can they say because they know their beloved team is guilty
There is plenty I could say but I figure you made up your mind about 2 seconds after you first heard the story so it's just easier to let you go on believing what you so desperately want to believe.
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