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Now this is about a week or 2 old, but still an interesting read:
Thomas Silverstein, who has been described as America's most isolated man, has been held in an extreme form of solitary confinement under a no human contact order for 28 years. Originally imprisoned for armed robbery at the age of 19, Silverstein is serving life without parole for killing two fellow inmates (whom he says were threatening his life) and a prison guard, and has been buried in the depths of the federal prison system since 1983. In his current lawsuit against the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Silverstein contends that his decades of utter isolation in a small concrete cell violate the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment, as well as its guarantee of due process. (The lawsuit, brought by the University of Denver Civil Rights Clinic, is described in detail in our article Fortresses of Solitude. Update: On Friday, federal District Court Judge Philip Brimmer set a court date of January 23, 2012 for a jury trial in the Silverstein case. In support of that lawsuit, Tommy Silverstein, now 59, has written a long declaration, the purpose of which is primarily to describe my experience during this lengthy period of solitary confinement: the nature and impact of the harsh conditions I have endured in spite of a spotless conduct record for over 22 years, and my lack of knowledge about what, if anything, I can do to lessen my isolation. After apologizing for the actions that brought me here in the first place, particularly the murder of corrections officer Merle Clutts, Silverstein contends that he has worked hard to become a different man. He continues, I understand that I deserve to be punished for my actions, and I do not expect ever to be released from prison. I just want to serve out the remainder of my time peacefully with other mature guys doing their time. he bulk of the declaration is a detailed account of Silverstein's experiences and surrounding in a series of what constitute the most secure and isolated housing in the federal prison system: in the notorious Control Unit at Marion, the supermax prototype; at USP Atlanta in a windowless underground ;side pocket cell that measured 6 x 7 feet (almost exactly the size of a standard king mattress, at Leavenworth in an isolated basement cell dubbed the Silverstein Suite on Range 13 at ADX Florence, where the only other prisoner was Ramzi Yusef; and finally in ADX's D-Unit, where he can hear the sounds of other prisoners living in neighboring cells, though he still never sees them. The following is from Tommy Silverstein's description of his life at USP Atlanta: The cell was so small that I could stand in one place and touch both walls simultaneously. The ceiling was so low that I could reach up and touch the hot light fixture. |
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Should have thought about that before he killed those people. No sympathy for him.
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Does this man deserve a life in prison for murder, yes. But a life in solitary is beond my understanding. The only reason I cannot agree with hanging is, I could not do it myself and therefor would be unable to ask someone else to do something I would not do. It is one thing to kill someone while in a rage, but to calmly pull the handle that springs the trap door, not me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pierrepoint Interesting facts about a UK hangman.. sid |
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Bit harsh but I agree. I'm sure it made him more than insane, but if he seems to be doing well with his writing or story telling, whatever it is. I'd figure he'd be rocking back and forth against a wall, with his arms crossed against his chest after that long of a time.
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Right, August. Why even wasting a cell on him? Put him into a coffin-box, with flexible tubes in his stomach and lunges, and two more between his legs and bottom cheeks.
Cruelty is part of justice, right?
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So you guys think i'm being harsh? Then what punishment for the three murders he committed in prison do you think is appropriate?
The man is in solitary because he has demonstrated, three times, that he is a danger to his fellow prisoners as well as the guards. If they let him back into the general population and he kills again are you willing to take responsibility for it?
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If you read carefully you see that he was not even allowed to have TV, reading materials, or anything. In his words, he was left with no way to occupy his time, while he got buried alive, as he describes the process of building the isolation cell around him. He was being made disoriented and subject of what as a psychologist I need to classify as sensory deprivation. He gave indication that the officers took personal revenge upon him. He had one hour per week of "recreation", being left in a place where to see nothing and where to do nothing.
Nothing of that is just, or a prevention of him turning aggressive again, or protecting other inmates, and having him living in the open civil society again where he poses a threat to others is something that nobody has mentioned but you. What is described in that article is: taking revenge by torturing him. You could as well chain him to a wall and fixiate him there, like they did with insane people in past centuries. I see little, if any, difference in the wickedness of treating prisoners like this, and the crimes this prisoner has committed. There are worse things than dying, and the biblical logic of "an eye for an eye" is nothing I see as a basis for "justice" or "communal protectiun". On war efforts, in past threads I said determination is enough, we must not seek to be cruel beyond military need. But the same is true for law enforcement. Be determined in protecting the community, okay. Cruelty is something different. I refuse to discuss this any longer, August. Either you have what it takes to understand this from a human point of view, or you have not. To brutalise your own soul is something that serves nothing and nobody, it acchieves no justice and protects nobody.
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Tell it to the family of the guard he murdered.
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Okay, by that famous last words you can argue to throw every criminal having harmed other people or having killed somebody, into sensory deprivation and lifelong isolation.
I have and my family has lost loved ones to idiots behaving like azzes - and despite my grumble with the courts and the lax laws and my rage for the offenders responsible, I do not feel any desire to make the offenders subjects of measures like in this case. ![]() And if you argue that it is an eye for an eye and cruel punishement for all times and death would not be good enough - you often have taken side with Christian dogmas and beliefs in various threads, defending Christian religion in general. Now consider what Jesus said about forgivenes, and try to imagine if what you feel and say would be in conformity with what he has told people. Is your position on this issue really that Christian at all? Determination is enough, and fully sufficient. Cruelty beyond that is not needed.
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I do believe this prisoner needs to be kept in isolation/segregation. But the conditions he describes, assuming he is not lying, do seem a bit extreme.
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Now if you only would follow your own advice.
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August, if for no other reason.. think about the US Constitution.. It protects Us from cruel and unusual punishment.. We can not turn our backs on such basic principles as that. Personality i wouldnt be against having him executed.. but this is just wrong....
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You are assuming the situation is as he claims it is. He'll get his hearing in front of a judge but innocent until proven guilty does not apply here.
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well, it should be a simple matter to check shouldnt it be?
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Check what? That he hears voices? That he was sentenced to solitary confinement for three murders that he committed while already in prison for armed robbery?
The bottom line here is that the mans own heinous actions have put him in this situation. Now he's trying to whine his way out of it and maybe get a chance to kill more people. I say no way.
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